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Column: Ireland has the worst managed healthcare system in the developed world

While Ireland does not have the worst quality of healthcare, it is run by technically deficient, medically illiterate bureaucrats, says Professor John Crown. What healthcare model should we be looking to?

John Crown

AS IT IS currently structured, the Irish healthcare system ensures that people spend an inordinate amount of time not being treated for what ails them. The current structure incentivises inactivity, not efficiency. Patients are seen as a cost, and one that only has to be realised when a patient enters the hospital.

This is why most of our healthcare spending is outside of hospitals. We spend an inordinate amount of money on patients who are waiting for expert treatment, while those who run the bureaucracy think that they are saving money by not treating the patients properly.

Everyone accepts that there are grave failings in the Irish healthcare system; the only thing that divides us is how to solve them. Some would argue that we should move towards an NHS style service, others look for lessons in Berlin, and still others would find solutions in Havana.

The influence of political ideology

What typically happens, is that people bring their political ideology to the table and then pick the health service which most closely matches it.

Take for instance the former Minister for Health, Mary Harney. She was of a school of thought that believed that we should have a health care system populated by private for-profit institutions.

Harney believed, as an article of faith, that private for-profit businesses are, in and of themselves, a good thing, and so she sought the solutions to our healthcare problems in private, for-profit, businesses.

While there are major problems with the US healthcare system, the best managed institutions I have ever worked in were in New York. When I was working in the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Centre, the only waiting the patients did was in the room outside my clinic door – similarly in Mount Sinai Hospital. Sloan-Kettering and Mount Sinai are private, entirely not-for-profit institutions, founded by wealthy philanthropists and financed by insurance revenues; they are meccas for cancer specialists, researchers and patients alike.

The US model: medics leading medical institutions

Any insured cancer patient can access this hospital (ie 80 per cent of the American population). Care is single-tier. Politicians, millionaires, pop stars, actors and ordinary citizens were all seen in the same clinics, admitted to the same wards, operated on in the same theatres, and critically, all cared for by the same doctors. There was no co-located hospital for the wealthy.

The main problem with US healthcare is the lack of universal healthcare insurance – we should not emulate that. But, in terms of working hospitals you will find the best doctors, the best treatments, and the best outcomes for patients in the US. The chairs of these institutions are doctors. These clinically excellent medics lead their medical institutions, supported by technically adept managers, whom they guide with medical brilliance. At an institutional level we must move towards the US model, what we should avoid is the US insurance model.

Also problematic in the US system, is that for those who have insurance, doctors and hospitals are incentivised to carry out medical procedures which may not be necessary. With an unfettered free market approach, and a fee per item system, this is inevitable; as inevitable, as the incentivised inactivity in the Irish system.

The German model: healthcare based on need – not wealth

There is a middle route between these two extremes which is a model based on the principle of social solidarity, where access to healthcare is based on need and not wealth. Looking at the international landscape, the model I think we can learn most from is the German model, if we are aiming for an egalitarian system which is also efficient and effective.

In Germany, the typical worker contributes 9 per cent of their gross income to their health insurance. There are many ways of structuring this. Some huge employers have their own schemes, others buy commercial insurance from the market, and all those who are unemployed are insured by the state.

This is progressive, those who earn more, pay more; despite the fact that people who earn more typically have fewer health problems than those who live more difficult lives.

Every person has their own freely negotiable insurance credit. They can go to whatever institution they choose to go to, individual institutions decide what areas of care they offer, and the degree of care they offer within those clinical areas.

Ireland: the least efficient healthcare sector in the world

This approach is anathema to the bureaucrats which currently govern this country; they are not interested in patient outcomes, but in controlling admin budgets. They do not care if money can be better spent, they choose instead to manage the devils we know rather than risk devils we don’t know.

Dr Don Thornhill of the National Competitiveness Council argues that we have the least efficient healthcare sector in the world. We spend a very average amount on healthcare. Had we the same demographics as other European States; we would have the most expensive healthcare system in the world. With 100,000 young Irish people emigrating every year, our country is aging much faster than anticipated, the inevitable funding crunch will arrive far sooner than we would like.

We do not have the worst quality of healthcare in the developed world, we have instead the worst managed healthcare system in the developed world, run by technically deficient, medically illiterate bureaucrats.

It is not even their fault that the healthcare system is so bad – how else could it be, given the dysfunctional nature of what we have asked them to do? We ask them to ration healthcare, they do as we ask of them.

Professor John Crown is a Senator in Seanad Éireann. He trained in cancer medicine in New York in Mount Sinai Hospital and Memorial Sloan- Kettering Cancer Centre and was appointed as a consultant in St Vincent’s Hospital, Dublin in 1993.

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Comments (74 Comments)

  • I had elective surgery in a hospital in Australia 10 years ago and then had the same surgery in Ireland 5 years ago.

    In the Australian system I spent 1 night in hospital and went home the next day.
    In the Irish hospital, for whatever reason, they keep you in for 2 nights for the same surgery. I had to go on a waiting list and wait to be called in, despite the fact that I was a private patient. I ended up going in on a Thursday. Because the consultant doesn’t work weekends, I had to wait until Monday to be discharged.

    Australian hospital: 1 night occupying a bed
    Irish hospital: 4 nights occupying a bed

    Same surgery.

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    • Let’s not get into comparing single experiences, there are so many variable most aren’t privy to well just get load of this happened to me ……….. . On the article Wow, very interesting insight and the most damning indictment I have heard yet on the “System”. Id love to see “Dr” Reilly’s direct response to this article. What need to happen John? What are the first steps? And I soon can things be turned around if penny drop with the Government. Is there anything we can do with these senior HSE manager or are they protected by Unions?

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    • Well nobody is suggesting that anecdotal evidence presented as a comment on a news website by an anonymous character should be submitted into a research paper on hospital organisational effectiveness.

      But this experience does highlight how inefficiency in a hospital can snowball and potentially generate a feedback loop of increasing inefficiency.

      I was scheduled on a Thursday because of a lack of available beds on mon-wed. That scheduling resulted in me contributing needlessly to the lack of available beds for others! Vicious circle.

      The systemic situation that contributed to this includes the system of private consulatants being involved in the public system. My consultant had his equipment in a public hospital, so that’s where I had to go for the surgery. Then of course the willingness of the consultant to leave me in that public bed for an extra 2 days so that he didn’t have to work for 15 mins on a Saturday.

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    • And always will. Come back to us when it’s one of the best. Same old story.

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    • It does’nt take a professor to work that out surely

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  • It took six years to diagnose my mother with ovarian cancer…. Six years of a&e X-rays, being told she had urinary tract infections, passing her from dr to dr… In the end she got an ultrasound and there it was plain as day… I asked why this wasn’t done in the beginning, I was told they don’t offer them until they can establish its not other illnesses etc! She is dead 10 years in march .. I hope the public health services have improved since then!

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    • That’s tragic. Sorry to hear about your mother. My own Mother-in-Law was back and forth to the doctor on many occasions complaining of a pain in her side. Each time it was “You’ve pulled a muscle, just rest and you’ll be fine” . In the meanwhile her cancer was metastasizing from her lungs to her liver to her spleen. By the time they saw it on the ultrasound, it was too late. She died six months later. She didn’t drink or smoke.

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    • I hear stories like this all the time! It’s so tragic!!

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    • Wynnner 27/02/13 #

      My Nan was dignosed with cancer on the day of her funeral,the previous 3/4 years was hell since she had it in her brain and her behaviour was unreal

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    • I have to admit, I was suffering excruciating pain there a while back and was sent for an ultrasound and laparoscopy very quickly indeed. The ultrasound was within a month, the laparoscopy they wanted me in within a few days if receiving the letter – I had to tell them it was too short notice! They rescheduled me for 6 months later.

      Thankfully it wasn’t cancer or anything like that, but the only issue I had was that I had to be admitted 25 hours before my surgery. It seemed a waste of a bed overnight, apparently it was to ensure I would have a bed after the surgery, this seems a little strange..

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  • Every new health minister makes big sweeping statement about how he or she is going to revolutionise the health system, but they soon realise that they’re up against a mafia that refuse to change for anyone. Accountability is key here. A word that doesn’t really exist in any shape or form throughout the public/ civil service in this country. As long as the ordinary people are prepared to ternate this, things will remain the same.

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  • Brilliant. I’ve never heard anyone working within the system describe it so well. The next problem of course is to fix a system that does not want to be fixed, it’s not in the interest of those technically deficient, medically illiterate bureaucrats to leave their very well paid jobs to technically proficient, medically literate managers who would, hopefully, do a better job.

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  • Hospitals seem to be filled with well-meaning people. No organisation or structure, just a mob of well-meaning people.

    The staff seem too busy firefighting to fix the big picture. Nobody is responsible, so everyone rolls their eyes and shrugs.

    People die because of this.

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  • Well said professor crown

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  • Thank you John Crown for years of tirelessly biting the hand that feeds you to highlight the travesty that is our Health Service. Back in 2001 I almost trained in advocacy in the area of Breast Cancer (scholarship from NBCC in the US), but opted not to when I weighed up my chances of making a difference against my sanity. When Mary Harney became Minister for Health in 2004, I thanked the Gods I’d kept well clear. I am hugely grateful to John Crown for his work with Breast Cancer in Ireland, and if he weighed up his chances of making a difference against his sanity, then he both remained sane AND made a difference.

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  • Finally an article about the healthcare system that makes sense!! From within the system it’s easy to see how it’s mismanaged, but I don’t see the will to change it – either from inside or politically. Coming from working in the US healthcare system to working in the Irish healthcare system is a huge wakeup call. And yes, in the US the issue of the 20pc uninsured needs to be addressed (not via Obamacare however!), but other than that, it’s a great system – especially compared to what we have here! My question is why are the likes of Prof Crown never listened to???

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  • Experts like John Crown should be appointed to the cabinet: get away from the idea of putting schoolteachers etc in charge of essential state services such as finance and health, get away from the party political jobs for the boys crap. The best man/woman for the job should get it, whether he is recruited from the private sector or big business or whatever. They do this in other countries. Can you imagine if Michael o Leary was negotiating for us with the ECB instead of the wimps who sold us down the Swanee for the next 50 years? I wouldn’t begrudge paying these people good performance related salaries if they did the job, instead of that we pay salaries and massive pensions to people like Mary Harney who spent their lives in politics but retire having achieved NOTHING (unless you consider ruination of a country as an achievement), people like the financial regulator who fiddled while the banks burned the country. In Harney’s case she says she has earned it. I would like to ask her how.

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    • Yes – I don’t get this múinteoir thing at all

      Taoiseach Enda Kenny – múinteoir

      Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht Jimmy Deenihan – PE múinteoir

      Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government Phil Hogan – múinteoir

      Minister for Finance Michael Noonan – múinteoir

      Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin – múinteoir

      The only múinteoir should be perhaps the minister for Education – and that’s Ruairi Quinn who is an architect.

      Do they look at the CVs of these guys before they appoint them? No offence to teachers but they are trained to teach not fix the ailing economy etc.

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    • Yeah, let’s put a doctor in charge of the health service! That’ll definitely sort things out.

      ..oh wait

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  • Fairly well hit the nail on the head prof Crown. I have been trying to work out for years just why there seem to be so many ‘folder’ people in our hospitals. You know the sort, majority female, wearing loudly sounding heels on their shoes who ALWAYS carry a folder and speak loudly of “Grainne and Macdara” and “Sorcha” who is in second year Law School. They usually make a stop at the nurses station for a chat and then walk on to the next chatting stop. I reckon that they outnumber the nursing staff by two to one and work or should I say are present for 35 hours a week. Far far too many admin staff mostly under-employed and overpaid.

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  • I agree with a lot of this article particularly it’s focus on Ireland. Three days I was in recently with a suspected blood clot on my lung. They (HSE administrators certainly not the excellent nurses) finally sanctioned a five minute CT scan shortly after I was moved to a trolley in a ward on the last day from a seat. Results came back couple of hours later and there and then I was freed to return home with various medicines for what was actually a really bad chest infection!

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  • Came back from Liberia in 2003
    1. Had an extremely back reaction to the medication I took for malaria… Besides the mental issues which I am not at liberty to talk about ( coming down the road soon) my skin turned into what can only be described as a back and stomach like an alligators hide. Waited five years to get an appointment at this stage what ever it was subsided but left subcutaneous scarring.
    2. Torn supraspinatus ( shoulder tendon) whilst in the pool training for a triathlon. Had to wait 6 months for MRI then two years for operation, again in the interim , it has healed but not properly.
    3. Have chronic back pain ( thoracic) for ten years, finally got better of me, went to doc in 2007, put me on waiting list to see pain specialist … Wait for this, late last year got a letter asking me would I like to be placed ON THE NEW P***ing waiting list.
    Oh By the way , I still count myself kinda one of the lucky ones, so this “ain’t no crib”

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  • I totally agree with Prof Crown, the system is totally flawed. But the care received is still good, despite the system. But until a large number of the back room staff can be moved, it will remain the same.
    When the HSE was formed, the administration was supposed to be stripped down and made more efficient. Instead, the exact same number of officials remained.
    This is where any Government will have a problem.
    As a counter balance to the “I spend 7 days sleeping on a hospital floor” here’s my story. The bad stories will always be highlighted, but they are not the full picture.
    I was diagnosed in ’89 with a chronic illness. I moved to the UK in ’91. In the NHS, my care was through a GP. My disease took a turn in ’97, I needed surgery. I was discharged and had one appointment in the hospital after. I was on the same meds for all this time.
    I returned home in ’99. I needed surgery again soon after. Here’s where my care changed. New meds had been discovered and I was given them. I was never informed about these meds in the UK, nor offered them.
    My care was directly through my consultant. If I needed to see him, I rang his secretary. Until ’09 I was given each new med that came on the market.
    A discussion with a consultant in the NHS during this time, told me that these meds wouldn’t be prescribed there for my condition due to costs.
    In the past 4 years, I’ve had 5 more surgeries. My care has been 1st rate each time.
    I’m not private, I’m a public patient.

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    • The care we receive here is great, if you are in the system. Getting into the system seems to be the problem. I was “Lucky” that I needed surgery, so soon after moving back home. Putting me straight into the system.
      I was shocked to learn in ’99, that my care was so much better here than I’d had under the NHS. I’ve had a good relationship with my consultant over the past 14 years, yet I only had 3 appointments with a consultant in 8 years in the NHS.
      I’m only writing this as a counterbalance to the stories we normally hear and will be posted on this thread.

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  • About time someone spoke up and spoke out !
    Our health system is a managed failure.
    But the question remains what needs to happen to improve it !!

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  • One big problem with the social solidarity model here is that the Irish are incapable of social solidarity. Equally the neoliberal tyranny we are all being subjected to precludes social solidarity. Pay up or die.

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    • It is the saddest realisation I have had going to march’s and protests and leafletting. The fact that there is no solidarity here.Thats why the government always has the upper hand here because we don’t work together to target them.

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    • Good a begrudgery though. That’s why the semi-educated non-productive clerical worker gets pissed off that the highly educated professional doctor gets paid more than they do and is equally upset that the mechanic with his dirty hands might get the same level of healthcare. And all the while, we take comfort in denying the reality that Ireland is the most class-ridden country in Europe, including the UK. Pitiful.

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  • Ciara 27/02/13 #

    I spent 12 hours in A&E two days ago. The triage nurse didn’t even ask the pain levels. My friend was 8 hours crying in reception, it got to the stage where I’d to go in and ask. Because the original nurse didn’t ask was she in pain, she got put to the bottom of the pile. And kept getting left there.

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  • Couldn’t agree more. The amount of dead wood in the HSE is incredible. The admin behind it all are lazy, unintelligent, useless idiots.

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  • This is a fantastic article and sums up a lot of my frustration with the HSE and healthcare in Ireland over the past 5 years. I was fortunate enough to have worked in the NHS and yes there were limitations and frustrations. But the difference I found was that within the NHS there was always a plan A, B and C. When it came to assessment and treating of patients. Without performing unnecessary tests which were a waste of time and money. This usually took up to the latest 6hrs if in an medical assessment unit or 4hrs in the Emergency Department. Unfortunately in my opinion we don’t seem to ever have a plan B in the HSE and find it difficult to acknowledge this, we are even better at justifying the problems as opposed to challenging and rectifying them. Having read some of the posts on peoples experiences to date, saddens me deeply but yet sums up the reality of the service. Ah, I could be here all day!

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  • Still waiting on James Reilly and his Dutch health care model,more lies

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  • Too many chiefs and not enough Indians!

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  • Grace 27/02/13 #

    Did anyone ever think to ask the public why they constantly do not turn up for scheduled tests and / or often turn up late. A DNA fee would soon ensure all long awaited for appointments are filled saving HSE thousands in one swoop!!

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  • This is how you fix the Irish health system.

    Month 1 All Government Ministers & Junior ministers and their direct family are banned from holding private health insurance.
    Month 2. All Government TD’s and their direct family are banned from holding private health insurance.
    Month 3. All TD’s and their direct family are banned from holding private health insurance.
    Month 4. All Dept of Health staff and their direct family are banned from holding private health insurance.
    Month 5. All HSE Staff and their direct family are banned from holding private health insurance.

    However I would not expect that Month 5 would be required.

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  • bob 27/02/13 #

    Is anyone surprised? Consultants getting buckets of money while people out with buckets to raise money to save individual children.so sad!

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    • Newly hired consultants take home about 50K. 50K for a minimum of 5yrs university, 10-20yrs of anything from 12-56hr shifts (assuming you don’t count the current batch who used to go to work on Friday morning and not leave until Tuesday evening – I jest not), they then have certification (costs €1,000′s) to maintain IMC registration (also €1,000′s), insurance (mandatory – for consultants knock off a few more €1,000′s).
      Can we please get rid of the view that consultants are creaming off the top, it’s frustrating!

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    • Thank you James! Bob you haven’t a clue so keep it to yourself.

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  • LOL…. I really don’t know what to say… Why has it taken the average Irish person so long to realize that our systems are useless? And sadly… I don’t expect anything to change anytime soon. It’s like… Having a gardener perform a heart transplant… Will the outcome be successful? I doubt it. Will the operation every be successful? I doubt it!

    We have had years upon years of ineptitude and greed. The situation will never change…

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  • The Irish system will never be changed unless the control of the consultants is tackled & the 2 tier system reduced. If a system was adopted with increased national insurance contributions that leads to total free access to all it would be embraced.
    However the current 2 tier system in Ireland is so powerful things will never change, money talks.
    Irish consultants are the second highest paid in the world, behind only the Dutch a system Fine Gael (Dr Reilly) want’s to copy, go figure.

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    • Sorry you’re wrong. They are not the 2nd highest paid in the world. They are paid more in Australia, Canada, USA and NZ. All countries that speak English and are crying out for doctors.

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    • Hospital consultants are no longer hugely paid. Check publicjobs.ie. All consultant contracts carry a salary of €110k (for 6yrs college, 10-15yrs specialist training, working 36hr shifts with no sleep every week for 10yrs). Take 10% off that algain for Croke Park II, another 50% between taxes, levies and contributions. Your “fat cat consultant” now gets €50k, if even. Then medical indemnity insurance and all further education and conferences comes out of their own pocket… maybe another €5-10k. Oh and before someone says it, they are NOT allowed do private work for top ups.
      Publicjobs.ie, check it out.

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    • Basic salary may be lower, but when you add in VHI etc.. It takes them above all except the Dutch.

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    • Ivor, contrary to popular point of view, your hospitals benefit more from VHI than the consultant does (there are very, very, very few specialties where the consultant benefits in any major or minor way).

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    • VHI is a state backed insurance, which in turn allows consultants to paid twice while working in the public sector. Hence a huge increase of their salary during contracted hours.

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    • What’s more, the vast majority are worth every penny of it plus more.

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  • I’m lucky my clinic DNA rate is low and I warn people miss your appointment and you won’t get another automatically! I took a phone call today from a social worker wondering why x had not been seen – they failed to attend the first appointment no contact, then referred again – sent another appointment and no show and yet again referred again and guess what no show! They also failed to attend numerous consultant appointments!!! Now they are “wanting” to be seen. Reality they have to be referred via gp to the consultant to be referred on to my service… Docs clinic wait a few months. So it won’t be any time soon. They have wasted 3 clinical hours (each appointment is an hour and you cannot double book the slots) add on the consultants visits and various admin tasks appointment letters and fade to attend letters. Time wasted easily 10 hours!!! That’s 3 slots to my clinic and the rest!!! I worked in one area before and the average attendance was 50%!!!! Please bear in mind you cannot double book slots on the off chance someone won’t turn up!!

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  • we are striving to copy the yanky healthcare model!!

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  • Thank you professor Crown. 5 years ago my father age 76 had been for quite some time taking nitroglycerine for angina. On my parents wedding anniversary he woke with severe chest pain and was sweating profusly. My mother rushed him to the hospital a 2 hour journey as they were away for their anniversary. We found out 3 days later via a call to us in the U.S. that he was in hospital been given ‘a lovely cup of tea’ for the past 3 days & had experienced these symptoms. Having 10 years experience in the U.S. Insurance industry we knew from working closely with sick clients that our father had TEXTBOOK symptoms of CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE. I sent an email with link to Mayo Clinic page on same to the CEO of St. Vincents Hospital, Dublin. Needless to say the cups of tea stopped & they ran him in for an angiogram as I’d requested & said he had a 95% blockage & they put in a stint. Now we thought surely they will look after him now, but home visiting family in April he showed us his leg which was very swollen (FLUID BUILD UP FROM HIS HEART NOT WORKING) & we had our sisters get him in as a PAYING patient AMAZING HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN GET SEEN IN IRELAND IF YOU ARE A CASH PAYING PATIENT – it cost 500 euro & we found out he was on his way to CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE again & that for the past 5 years he is being treated by someone who is not a cardiac speciality who has been in their words negligent. That word would mean something here in the U.S. it would mean the family could sue but I have a feeling it means nothing in Ireland. I AM SO GLAD I LEFT IRELAND 22 YEARS AGO. TOO MANY PEOPLE WILLING TO ACCEPT CUPS OF TEA. IF I LIVED THEIR I WOULD TAKE TO THE STREETS & FIGHT FOR SOMETHING BETTER- MY FATHER DESERVES BETTER THAN THIS! YOU DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS!

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  • Lads, our health service might not be a match for those of France, Germany, or Spain, but thanks be to Jesus we’re nowhere near as bad as the english national health service. Although leave it much longer to that eejit Reilly and we’ll not be long in catching up falling as far behind.

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  • If only the government was allowed to make the changes needed. But its typical of the Irish to knock everything that they try to do.

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    • We’ve been shouting this at them in bright orange and neon flashing lights for years!!!!
      The problem is that the changes are politically undesirable. Ireland has a major problem of providing inappropriate access to inappropriate services. There are currently A&E units operating in this country that do not have access to 24hr anaesthetics, and thus do not have access to 24hr emergency theatre. If you have a cardiac arrest, you cannot be intubated because there is no 24hr anaesthetics to maintain the airway access which means that in event of cardiac arrest, we can’t operate to the fullest of our ability (in fact, we can’t operate over half of the ACLS protocol without access to intubation)- crazy! Having a hospital that does not have 24hr access to anaesthetic care means that hospital amounts to nothing more than a nursing home with a GP, even within the working hours.
      To change the system would involve a major shake up in the allocation of services, and hospital closures left, right and centre.

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    • Also, I’d add, hospital closures will happen due to the EWTD being implemented (only a decade too late, but better late than never).

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  • Really, next time I’m home and someone criticizes the American healthcare system I will just laugh.

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    • Belly Up 27/02/13 #

      The American system only works for the people who can afford it. What happens to the 22 year old just diagnosed in the emergency room with type 1 diabetes who doesn’t have health insurance or a job that pays for it??

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    • Denito 27/02/13 #

      I would suggest that both you and Prof. Crown read the “Bitter Pill” special report in the current edition of Time if you believe that the system of healthcare management is worse in Ireland than the US.

      As an aside while the great Sloan-Kettering is a not-for-profit organisation for tax purposes, it still pays its president/ceo $4.4m. I wonder does Prof. Crown think that we should pay our hospital administrators similar sums?

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  • Another No $hit Sherlock statment.

    I’m getting tired of bleeding obvious reports.

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  • My sister works In Memorial Sloain Kettering

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  • I agree with a lot that is said, but I also think that consultants, even good, well-meaning ones have to take responsibility for some of the shambles of the hospitals. For example, the consultant in the oncology department in one of the large cancer treatment unit recently sent a friend of mine, under treatment from breast cancer, for a test which could not then be carried out. This took a lot out of the patient, and wasted the HSE’s money. Another centre, St Vincent’s Outpatient Orthopaedic Clinic, which is strongly consultant-led is organized in a shambolic fashion. At least 10 percent of doctors’ time and 20 percent of patients’ time is wasted waiting for X-ray referrals that could have been dealt with far more rapidly.

    It is fine to say that there are all these great doctor-led units in the United States, but the doctors who play these leadership roles take their management role seriously. Consultants in Ireland seem to think that management duties are somehow beneath them. Fair enough, but if they don’t want to do management duties, they shouldn’t then expect to be in charge.

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  • It is screaming out the last number of years that hospitals should have be run by medics or professier’s however this was tried by Prof drumm a lolly-pop man to mary harney. Our hospitals are in a mess, progressive health minister’s have allotted these jobs to the boys all governments over the last 30 years have stressed reducing the number of hospitals in area’s of high population is the solution this has been at the expense of the patients. Hosp boards of management being set up have a 50/50 ratio medics, patient advicates. I do believe that co existing hospitals co-exist beside one another private hosp paid by contributions as currently is. Large numbers of private patients occupying a public beds is mind blowing. I also believe a 20 bed unit to take elderly patients who need a longer recouperation periods should alongside larger hospitals paid by both contribution which ever style patients is covered, St Jame’s, Vincent’s Tallaght hosptals to name a few have enough land to acheive this. Another arguement I would be in favour of, is that consultants work weekends, it is incredible with the state of the health service that consultants even allow this practice to happen this would enable patients to be moved on home, theater’s could be used to cut the backlog . Reinstatement of the old system that only sundays where allotted for adminission’s. (if anyone has memory of how it used to be). Bring back a system/program that works. There has been enough wastage of precious resources to warrant this. Give the Professier who is highlighted in this article the job of head of HSE, maybe he can develop a program between what exists in New York and germany . We have a goon of a Dr running the service into the ground. In 10 years there will be no HSE or a health service to speak of if we cannot do not get the service back to patient focus at all times. The reinstatement of teaching hospitals where nurses trained on the wards, gave the student insight and developed empathy and the necessary skills of cleanness, organisation, conversation, practical skills which are lost in translation at university. How can you learn all the above along with the medical knowledge sitting in a classroom. BRING BACK MATRON RUN HOSPITALS WHERE, STAFF CLEANED HANDS BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO APPROACH THE PATIENT. Nurses cared do still care however there are does who do not.

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