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Column: Recession has had a positive impact on Tiger cubs’ work ethic

The boom years are over but the recession has brought about a change in young people’s work ethic, employer James Keogh writes.

James Keogh

Retailer James Keogh employs more than 55 people at the Rathwood store on the Carlow/Wicklow border. He writes why he thinks the recession has changed young people’s attitude to work.

I GET ASKED lots of things about the recession. How it affects business and sales. Mostly the impact of the recession is negative: it is tough on people, sales and business. However, there is one very positive impact that I have seen on the young people we employ.

As a retail outlet we employ a lot of seasonal staff and many of these temporary staff are students. They come for the summer, autumn and winter breaks. During the boom years we found that students or young people could be a very mixed bunch. While there were some great workers, others approached their job in a somewhat lackadaisical manner. At 26-years-old myself, I do not want to seem patronising in any way, but a few years ago people felt there was always another job or opportunity around the corner – now they are a lot more aware that there is not.

Attitude change

However, the recession has produced a marked change in attitude with our Tiger Cubs. Our staff are now twice as keen to work, punctual in the extreme and really care about their jobs and the customers. I think that during the boom years, money was easy. Kids didn’t really have to work as Mum or Dad would provide it for them. Jobs were plentiful and if one didn’t work out then another could be easily found. Now, there is a definite scarcity of jobs and money. If young people want to afford a car, they need to earn the money.

We used to have cases where young people would arrive late, and even obviously hungover from the night before. It was a real problem for us as we were trying to run a business. People’s attitudes were that jobs were plentiful. People cared about how much they were getting paid, if they didn’t like their work, they could simply move on. That doesn’t happen any more. These same kids care about their jobs and they make sure they are on time and in form to work. People also seem to care more about what is their CV. They understand that any experience is good experience and they are making the most out of whatever position they have. They are working hard as they know that getting a credible reference, especially in this economic climate, is very important. I think this new attitude has possibly come from parents too. They are under a lot of financial pressure, they can no longer support their children with hand outs so they are happy that they are working.

Turning point

It is a real eye opener the difference in attitude that a few short years and the recession can make. In these tough economic times, you have to wonder, where is the turning point going to come from, what is going to get us out of this. It’s hard to pin point, but a good work ethic is important. At Christmas we take on a lot of seasonal staff. These are people that will only be working over the holidays, and we used to see people not taking the job seriously, mainly because they wouldn’t be there for long. Now there has even been a change in the seasonal workers. We hire them and train them, and they take their work very seriously. People know that if you work hard somewhere and do a good job, you never know where it might lead. People are aware that employment opportunities are scarce, so if there is a chance it will lead to more work down the line, they are going to ensure that they take their job, for however long they have it, very seriously.

We work in the service industry so it is all about meeting people with a friendly face, who are eager to help. Your service is only as good as you are, that is so important. If you’re workers aren’t giving 100 per cent to the job, the business suffers and in turn so can the employees.

The change in attitude is great for our customers because they get committed staff who want to do the best possible job. And it’s great for us as we can offer consistently professional service and maybe even get to hire the same hard workers in time when they finish their studies.

Rathwood, located on the Tullow to Shillelagh road, on the Carlow/Wicklow border opened its doors in April 1994.

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Comments (43 Comments)

  • I think people will have a work ethic regardless of up bringing. I know loads of people from well of back grounds who are Trojan workers and people from poorer backgrounds who are lazy bastards.. And vice versa

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  • i dont think people have changed so much, i think youve been fortunate enough to Be able to hire people who in better times would have been able to get a better job than the ones you’re offering

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    • Mjhint 19/08/12 #

      So Kevin this man is fortunate to have better quality workers now that theres a recession but when things were better the workers were better off because they could command better jobs. By your own analysis I would call that balanced. Exploitation of workers? For anyone interested we have the highest minimum wage in the EU & the most regulated labour market. If you care to find out how badly employers are treated go to the employers tribunals & see the carry on.

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  • “If young people want to afford a car, they need to earn the money.”

    ‘Tis as well I was wearing a corset, lest mine sides would’ve split. What a revelation. That was always the case. At least these days they don’t have to fork out half their income to insure it.

    My own experience of the celtic tiger years (although I still wouldn’t feel qualified to pass opinions such as the above despite being at the ripe old age of 32) was that on my average wage every cent was going to pay for the spiraling cost of living and managing the difference with borrowing.

    It was a similar experience for others – many families accumulated debt not to “live the high life” but to maintain themselves in the face of the exponential increase of almost every essential, from groceries to mortgages to transport. The Celtic Tiger was something of a chimera – it didn’t really exist for most people outside the social section of the Sindo or would-be entrepreneurs who thought flipping property was a viable business model.

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    • And as a by-the-way, I wouldn’t be too harsh on the young people either. It was the previous generation who created and maintained the bubble as long as they possibly could. It wasn’t people my age or younger who were flipping apartments or buying banks. Given that, I feed criticism leveled at the youth is somewhat misdirected.

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  • True it did us no favours..but that was more due to the act that we as a country were almost the nouveau riche of Europe. Ireland as a nation was never a wealthy place financially and then we suddenly we became very wealthy very quickly…we didn’t know how to handle it…weren’t used to it and therefore it screwed our minds and ethics up. Should we ever see a wealthy day again, maybe next time round we’ll be more prepared.

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    • We were never rich, even at the height of the so-called tiger. Our apparent wealth was financed by spiralling personal debt, excessive public spending and ephemeral property values.

      Now we are having to pay it all back.

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    • @Ben Gunn

      I have to disagree Ben, even now in the depths of this recession we are still a very wealthy country, by any measure and yes I know we are loaded with debt as is half the western world. But I feel a little perspective is in order. This is not the 80′s!

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    • @Brian I make a distinction between rich and wealthy.

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    • @Ben

      Ok thanks for clarifying but I still don’t think I agree with you. By any measure of riches or wealth we are still doing very well for ourselves?

      The minimum wage here is amongst the highest in the world as is our GDP.

      Surely we are a rich and a wealthy nation by global standards, much more so than we were 15-20 years ago?

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    • @brian this recession is different than any 80′s recession. It’s job shortage coupled with large personal debt the likes never seen before.

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    • @Aidan Geraghty.

      I agree that this recession is different to the 80′s with personnel debt etc. But peoples are still earning far more money today than they were in the past..

      Let’s take an average Irish person with a mortgage, laden with negative equity. Once they have made their monthly payment they still have far more disposable income then their equivalent in the 80′s or their equivalent in many other western countries.

      Public/private sector pay and the dole are all much higher then across almost all of Europe. Most people, the exception being couples with young kids etc, still have at least one foreign break a year. Very few people could do that in the 80′s

      So I think that it is inaccurate to say that we as a nation are poor.

      Just to be clear I’m not for one second saying that there aren’t a lot of people enduring hardship

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  • And the change in attitude of the employers? I have seen some shockingly demeaning and patronising treatment of teenage workers being put in their place as phone dialling or shirt folding monkeys by incompetent middle managers. This isn’t me anymore and it hasn’t been for several years but when it was I remember people working with me, helping and training when i did these jobs. The other day I witnessed someone barking orders and throwing a t-shirt back at her three teenage employees in a very well established mid to high end dept store, these kids couldn’t have looked more miserable in their jobs… I now no longer want to shop there.

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    • Mjhint 19/08/12 #

      And you are correct. But is was not an employer that carried out this act but a power happy employee. This act had nothing to do with the employer at the stage you witnessed. If how ever this was reported by all that witnessed it including you the outcome would be very different to that power happy thug. Bullying in the work place is a very serious offence & if the company did not follow correct protocal on any report of bulling by one person the fines could break a small company.

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    • It wasn’t bullying I witnessed, it’s the way she choose to do things… Task orientated vs. people orientated, dominant aggressive managing style, mistrust of subordinates, short term results(a neatly folded store) vs long term fatalities (miserable, unmotivated staff that have no desire to sell and leave at another opportunity). But then I’m a customer not her manager it’s not my place to evaluate her, that is her employers position and if they can’t see it then they are not capable of doing their job or they just don’t care.

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    • Mjhint 19/08/12 #

      Andrew go do some research. The act you witnessed is bullying.

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  • didnt read the whole thing yet, but even the title of the article i would see as being in the right direction…. the so called tiger did an entire generation of this country no favours.

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  • Richie 19/08/12 #

    Found this article patronising in the extreme, even though he states it shouldnt be, then goes on to ‘criticise’ how the youth of yesterday were bad workers, sorry mate but just cause now you can sling any sort of crap at your employees and they have to take it is not a benefit of the recession, ive worked since I was 15, never been disciplined or fired and those ive worked with, young and old have a fantastic work ethic, with of course the occasional waste of space, such is life. Most people have NEVER had things handed to them, recession or no recession, your suggestion that they have is insulting, and also the grammer is atrocious, had to stop reading about half way through

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  • JR 19/08/12 #

    He’s 26, employs 55 people and the shop’s been open since 1994? Ah, right, mom and dad. Recession is awesome for people who’ve never had to even look for a job.

    Yeah, sure, people are scared now. This is awesome for employers.

    On the flipside, there are rampant employment rights abuses right now because employers know their employees are scared.

    Most commonly heard phrase from management these days “You are all replaceable”. Sacking is threatened for the most minor offenses. “Brilliant Manager thought up this New Thing today. You must all do it now perfectly or You Will Be Sacked.”

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    • Found these pieces about Rathwood

      http://rathwood.com/JamesBlog/?page_id=4

      http://www.wicklowpeople.ie/news/keogh-story-relayed-at-next-business-meeting-3198137.html

      Just because a business is founded by parents doesn’t mean you get a free ride, Begrudgery seems to be an Irish obsession when people make a go of things but I’m fairly sure this guy didn’t get a B.Sc for nothing and Ulster Bank didn’t employ him out of the goodness of their hearts. Given the choice between your attitude and his attitude as a means for getting the country back on it’s feet I know which one I’d prefer.

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    • JR 19/08/12 #

      Not Irish. And I’m the first to point to begrudgery. But I think mine is a fair point — perhaps ill-put.

      He’s not an authority. He’s 26 years old and he’s helping operate his family business. He’s not the person who (as summaries like to suggest) built a company that employs 55 people. He was born to the people who did this. There is a huge difference.

      He has a degree. Honestly, I meet people on a day-to-day basis who have degrees and are borderline illiterate. Stopped paying attention after I noticed that.

      I’d love to see the country back on its feet. But Ireland will not do that by glorifying the wrong people. That’s sort of how we got into this mess. Wait til he’s 36 (my god, at least!). Wait til he’s actually accomplished something with his parents’ business other than not running it into the ground.

      Why is he even being published?

      If the youth of yesterday were bad workers then the employers of yesterday were bad employers. They didn’t have different employment laws then compared to now. They could sack people for not doing their jobs. But they didn’t, because they were all too busy off on golf courses and having someone spit-shine their BMWs. Now they have to pay attention, they’re out of practice and have forgotten everything they learned in business school. So they’re panicking, freaking out and threatening their employees with sacking and enjoying the terror. That’s not actual management. They’re not doing the things that matter. And well, fancy degrees or not, they’re more useless and far more expensive than the teenagers of the 1990s. (let’s not forget most of them ARE the teenagers of the 1990s).

      I have no idea if this guy is a good manager/director or not. The fact is — he doesn’t yet. He’s only 26.

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    • censored 21/08/12 #

      I agree with JR. James will probably look back in 10 years and be embarrassed about this .. if he’s a good manager. Also, James’ personal history is fair game for comment given the fact that he *chose* to write this article. Personally I found it astonishing that somebody who is trying to hire high caliber people would write an article like this.

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  • The employers are using the recession to keep the works in there place. Wages Down, Threats of unemployment and you can be replace UP. I know of Employers breaking EU employment s Laws. working time directive etc and its the norm. Employees too scared to do or say anything. And the employer using the recession to exploit people.

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    • Bang on Michael! Agencies however are the biggest curse of all! How in gods name unions turned a blind eye to the way agencies treat employees is beyond me! The pay and conditions some people are expected to tolerate is nothing short of scandalous. Big multi national companies are some of the biggest exploiters of the present situation, through their use of agency workers! It’s nearly impossible to get a permanent job with some companies these days!

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    • A job isn’t a fundamental right Michael. Why does it seem so alien to people that they should have to compete with one another for work. During the good times salaries and conditions and opportunities improved, during the recession there were corrections. Why would you expect companies to pay people more than they have to or guarantee people employment now. The other side of that coin would be to expect people to turn down pay increases during the boom. Your living in dream land. The EU working time directive has always been a joke in most serious industries and professions.

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    • actually it is. its One of our human rights

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    • @Kevin

      Are you being serious?

      Can you please explain how someone having a job is human right?

      Let’s say I have a small company and some kid shows up looking for a job, am I violating their human rights by not employing them?

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    • I have noticed a lot of fear working its way into the work place. People are tolerating managers that use fear as their new management tool to control people.

      So I can see why this young man with so much life experience thinks its great.

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    • UN Universal declaration of human rights Article 23.

      (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
      (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
      (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
      (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

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    • Aidan 19/08/12 #

      Job is a right if you can’t work the land to live.

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    • @ Kevin,

      I think you’re misreading that Kevin, I believe it means that nobody can be excluded from the work place. In the sense that they cannot be discriminated against on any grounds by a prospective employer.

      This is very different to saying that they have a right to a job in the sense that their rights are being violated by a private employer or the state for not giving them a job. Otherwise everybody on the dole would be suing every company in the country for violating their human rights.

      Can you see the difference?

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    • @ Kevin

      You have the right to work, but you don’t have the automatic right to a job. You have the same right to a job as everybody else, and therefore we all compete. If you are useless, nobody is obliged to give you a job.

      The working time directive can be contracted out of. That means, it isn’t worth the paper it is written as it is not binding. Most employees agree to contract out of it, therefore it is not being broken.

      If you’re rights are being broken, a labour court will find in your favour. Otherwise, it just work, and you hve to deal with it.

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    • Eleen 19/08/12 #

      Healthy competition in the job market is one thing. But this is a situation in which people have no choice but accept whatever’s given to them. It’s a situation that makes it very easy for employers to exploit their workers, and even easier still to bring people in to work for free.

      There may be some positive benefits of the recession, but they don’t outweigh the negatives.

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  • At some point this country will have to turn that long awaited corner. When this happens, people who are still employed will have to consider emigrating.

    We will still have to pay high taxes and levies and yes as we all know in a lot of sectors there has been halt put to salary increments.

    Even when we do turn that corner the working class will have no more disposal income than they have today.

    In regard to prospective new generation I cannot see them taking up an offer of employment when they look at our current payslip. i.e. shopping list.
    I don’t think the “Celtic Cubs” will endure what we are enduring & rightly so!!!

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  • won’t be a popular post but company I worked for took students on paid work placements and I manged students every year, during boom year on year attitude if students got worse and worse, all managers spoke of it, expected to come in and do nothing, some exceptions, but in general we all spoke of how these kids were in for a shock when boom tapered off, one kid in particular used a trick of pretending not to understand anything he was asked to do in hope manner would give up and ask some one else to do it, when threatened with failure of his placement he advised me he didn’t care, he would not do more as he could have another job next week. not all were this bad but drop in effort each year was very noticeable

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    • Steve, this behaviour was not in any way unique to younger people at that time. People in their 30s, 40s and 50s were also quite well able to tell their employers where to stuff it when jobs were plentiful. And let’s face it – the example they were getting from the older generation at the time wasn’t exactly pushing the virtues of an honest day’s work either. Bashing the “youth of today” is as old as the hills and is no more valid now than it was fifty, sixty or a hundred years ago. Different generations have different challenges and this kind of “they’ve had it so good, now look at them” balderdash does no one any favours.

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  • I’d take the whole article more seriously If it wasn’t quoting a 26 year old… in retail management. No offence but not the most worldly view of the economy and management.

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