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Department: Up to Revenue to decide how property tax is paid

Though ministers will decide how the tax rate will be decided, it’s up to Revenue to see whether it may be deducted with PAYE.

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THE DEPARTMENT of Finance has said it will be up to the Revenue Commssioners, and not ministers, to decide how the forthcoming property tax is paid.

A spokesman for the Department this morning said while the introduction of the tax remains some time away, it had been decided that the Revenue Commissioners would be responsible for the collection of the tax – and that it was therefore up to Revenue to figure out the best way to ensure payment.

This means the potentially thorny decision of whether the tax could be deducted directly from workers’ pay packets will be left in the hands of the Revenue – and could be entirely outside of ministerial control.

It will remain up to the Cabinet itself to decide whether the controversial tax will be levied based on the value of someone’s property, the value of the land their house is built on, or charged on a flat-rate uniform basis.

“Ultimately as the minister pointed out yesterday, no final decisions have been taken by the Government on the tax,” a Department spokesman said.

“All policy decisions on the property tax will be taken by Government as part of the Budget process.”

Speaking on RTÉ radio, transport minister Leo Varadkar admitted that the introduction of the tax was coming at “the worst possible time” for a significant number of people.

The tax was being levied “when people are pressed for money and when property prices are falling, and a lot of people are in negative equity,” Varadkar conceded.

He added, however, that “pretty much every country in the Western world has a property tax to fund local services.”

Varadkar further added that the general Budget timetable meant householders should not expect to be asked to pay the new tax until mid-2013.

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Comments (26 Comments)

  • I was all set to be very annoyed with my local politician next year and use my vote accordingly during the next election, but by the time the General Election comes around Ill have forgotten it was the politicians who introduced this tax and all my ire will be directed towards the Revenue …

    I see what they are doing here …

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    • The fiscal bottomline for most Irish citizens will be that of a booming black economy.
      We will revert to a situation similar to the 70′s and 80′s where cash was the primary means of payment to avoid VAT.
      Already we can see an increase in laundered fuel activity, smuggled cigarettes etc.
      For many this is a means of surviving and I cannott blame them.
      And that the Government and Revenue are so obviously out to screw people smacks of total disregard to individual circumstances.
      To announce property tax, increased income tax, increased motor tax amongs many increases at this point and time is financial suicide.

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  • Government ministers playing pass the parcel by passing on the decision on how this tax is collected. Don’t even have the spine to decide on that themselves. Some leaders…..

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  • The politicians are still ultimately responsible. It’s smoke and mirrors. Just harder to point the finger directly at the puppet masters.

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  • gerry 28/08/12 #

    Can someone in dail eireann with a pair of balls(women included) stand up and make a decision. Even if it’s a decision I disagree with at least I’ll respect the person who made it and I might have an actual person to argue my point with. This pussy footing around/passing the buck is making me nauseous.

    Do they not know that they are elected by us to make the decisions for us based on our understanding of their election manifest. If you can’t make the hard decisions get out.

    This includes the whole abortion and gay marriage debacle which is making us a laughing stock of the world if we weren’t one already.

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    • Unfortunately drafting legislation and considering all the different options takes time.

      “This includes the whole abortion and gay marriage debacle which is making us a laughing stock of the world if we weren’t one already.”

      Because the US is not a laughing stock on these issues right?

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    • gerry 28/08/12 #

      @ryan in only worried about the country I live in. I agree that it is not a simple process but it’s a process that’s just not been done full stop.

      The whole process is been passed to “working groups” and “expert committees”. It stinks of the officeisms of “going forward” and such all talk and no action.

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  • Can we have another election now please, so that we can bury these treasonous cretins for good??

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    • and replace them with who?!

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    • Just to add, I hope people can see whats really happening here. Revenue is collecting this tax i.e. it won’t be funding local services. It will be used to plug the gap in the defecit left by handing billions to unguaranteed unsecured bondholders, and governments refusal to implement a third tax band on high earners and close the loopholes enjoyed by the wealthy.

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    • Virtually all left wing parties in Europe favour an annual property tax, based on its sustainability against one off transaction taxes – such as those seen during the Celtic Tiger years on house purchases. It amazes me that the left in Ireland opposes a sustainable tax like this. Sadly it’s more about currying favour by opposing everything the government does, than actually providing meaningful opposition it seems.

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    • I love this, ‘replace them with whom’? There are a lot of people in this Country, just as capable as the fools we have now. I am sure, there’ll be many put their name in the hat this time and if elected? Will do a better job!

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    • Total red herring ryan and you know it. Up north, the property tax get you waste collection, school books, medical, water etc. In france, for example, you get world class healthcare, proper childcare, social amenities etc. In Ireland, what will it get us? We will still be paying seperately for what the household charges in europe cover i.e. paying twice for the same thing. Its a morally unjust tax from a morally bankrupt government, implemented at the behest of foreign entities.

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    • let us know when you wake up there stephen

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    • You’re hilarious WES, get off your keyboard and make a difference.Instead of dictating from your chair, making fun of others you disagree with and thinking you know all!

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  • lads here is the reality…this country is f*cked!

    We have no political parties or any representatives who have the brains, balls or accumen to sort this pile of sh*t out!

    It’s time to follow all the smart people and find a life elsewhere…the morons will always be in charge regardless of the party as they are all cut from the same non-secular, bogeen, “i am alright jack” cloth!

    Until this country stops tugging its forelock to people in the EU who are patting us on the head and have their other hand down the back of our trousers, then we will always owe this money…

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  • I am in favour of a property tax if it is fair and if the money was to be used for services. This tax will not be fair as not all people will end up paying it, wealthy people will be able to avoid the tax. Also the money will be used to pay bondholders. The government will claim that this is not true but this tax is to replace the money councils lost to pay bondholders. Therefore money used to pay bondholders. I did not borrow, I did not build houses that will fall down within 10 years, I did not run banks into the ground, I did not participate in a government that gave these people tax breaks, I was not part of an inept and impotent opposition. So why should I be taxed to almost starvation point to pay for the Golden handshake boys club?

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  • So much for a promise of no more kite flying.
    All this is doing is creating uncertainty for those who may be looking to buy or build a house.
    The last thing we need is speculation like this to dampen demand further.

    A property tax is coming as it is a stipulation from the Troica so it does not matter who we elect at it will proceed.

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    • Incorrect Niall, any part of the agreement can be renegotiated as long as changes are revenue neutral. Fine Gaels own Peter Matthews stated on vincent browne last night that a small increase in corporation tax would not make any multinationals leave Ireland, nor would a third tax band for high earners. Theres a multitude of options available instead of once again hitting the easy targets.

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  • Mr Noonan admitted for the first time last night that PAYE workers will have the tax deducted direct from their pay packets.

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  • What happens if a property owner is not part of the PAYE system?

    Stray Mutt has already raised the question of farmers: so what if the owner lives abroad. Hundreds (thousands?) of homes are owned by residents of Northern Ireland or Britain.

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  • The unions will probaly get properly involved now if the new property tax is deducted out of peoples wages- the waterford branch of the unite trade union passed a motion in favour of Industrial action in the event of property taxes being deducted at source,plus calling on all the Public Service unions not to cooperate with plans to collect-the following motion in the link-It might be early days but I expect other branchs of the Unite trade union to follow suit, plus some other trade unions to follow suit-as they will come under pressure from their members to do so

    . http://www.facebook.com/UnitedLeftAlliance/posts/378995575486991

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