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Troika deal could move tracker mortgages to IBRC – Noonan

The minister for finance tells RTÉ that loss-making mortgages could be taken off the books of AIB and Permanent TSB,

A deal on the Anglo promissory note could also see mortgage debt moved to IBRC, Michael Noonan has said.
A deal on the Anglo promissory note could also see mortgage debt moved to IBRC, Michael Noonan has said.
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A DEAL ON restructuring the promissory notes could lead to restructuring Ireland’s banking sector and moving some mortgages to the former Anglo Irish Bank, Michael Noonan has revealed.

Noonan last night revealed that the talks on restructuring the €31 billion of promissory notes for Anglo – upon which the first €3.1 billion repayment falls due in three weeks – were also discussing other moves to boost the Irish banking sector.

In particular, authorities are now discussing the possibility that non-performing tracker mortgages could be taken off the books of Permanent TSB and AIB – the two lenders which are almost totally State-owned – and transferred to the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation, formerly Anglo.

“They [the Troika authorities] see other benefits apart from the sustainability of the debt,” Noonan said, noting that “having a final restructuring of some of the elements of the bank would give us a much stronger banking system.”

This would mean that impaired home loans would be taken on directly by a dedicated bank which is already managing a struggling loan book, while meaning that the books of AIB and PTSB would have less impaired assets.

This, in turn, could mean the State could find it easier to sell off its stake in those institutions at a later time. Bank of Ireland, in which the government is a minority stakeholder, could also participate in the scheme.

Speaking on RTÉ’s The Week in Politics, Noonan also confirmed that the ongoing discussions about the Anglo promissory notes were focussing on extending the period over which Ireland could repay the €31 billion notes, with a lower interest rate.

This would mean that although Ireland would still have an ongoing liability on repaying the notes, the annual repayments – of €3.1 billion, set to continue every March from this year until 2027 – could be reduced significantly.

This, in turn, would mean the Irish government would be forced to make slightly more modest budget corrections and lessen the burden of austerity being passed onto the public.

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Comments (34 Comments)

  • There was me thinking all that money we paid into the banks was to resolve their problems and we would end up with 2 pillar banks fully re-structured. Must of missed something in the small print I guess.

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  • What’s the bets that this government still pays the promissory notes at the end of this month. There excuse will be we are close to a deal, if we pay this promissory note then are children’s children can pay for the rest of them. Instead of getting it written off all together. What a bunch of dumb idiots. Maybe we should get that tattooed across our foreheads.
    Come on noonan it’s not defaulting as these notes are a promise of a defunct bank which no longer exists. Tell these speculators ‘you lose’ cause over the past 4 years every investment in any bank seems to pay out no matter how bad the investment is.

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  • Ffs… IT’S NOT OUR DEBT SO STOP PAYING IT!!!! Why is Sean Fitzpatrick still sneering at us while playing golf? Why hasn’t the little rat been remanded in prison pending his court case? What he did has destroyed Ireland for generations to come.

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    • D Burns 12/03/12 #

      My thoughts exactly Mags! Sean Fitzpatrick is walking free after bringing Ireland to its knees, while a guy who called garlic, apples is serving 6 years for evading €1.4million in tax, even though he has paid half of it back. Do the maths here and it should equal a lengthy custodial sentence for Mr Fitzpatrick. I am repulsed by this Govt

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    • @ Mags and D Burns your comments are spot on, do I feel justice has been done because some fruit importer is in Jail? Fitzpatrick et all are as they say “laughing all the way to the bank”

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  • My god. This is has got to be one of the biggest frauds in history, when an entire nation of people were duped. I thought Anglo was being wound down? Now the banks won’t even have to manage their loss making mortgages? Is that not part and
    Parcel of business? The risk? All people are going to hear though is ‘less austerity being passed on to the public.’ but it will still be there sucking us dry for twice as long. It was never our cross to bear in the first place.

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  • Is it just me or did fg not say they would close anglo???

    http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/news/8we-will-close-anglo-and-irish-nationwide-says-fg28/

    not just me then….more bs from the mouths of government.

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  • Ciaro 12/03/12 #

    Nama moved bad loans from the bank books, the taxpayer recapitalised the banks. job done? Apparently not, what sort of fucking morons are running this country?

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  • As a nation we have been well and truly placated. We are a weak, trod down, subjugated nation. Having asked the question many times… When are we going to stand up and say no more? the Answer, it would seem, is…. Never.

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    • D Burns 12/03/12 #

      @Paul:
      I’m taking this from Reada Quinn’s comment on an article about the household charge from Sunday 11/03/2012:

      “There is a mass march on 31st March, the Fine Gael Árd Fheis is taking place on that Saturday the 31st of March in the Convention Centre, (NAMA Building) on the quays. Gather at the Garden of Remembrance at 1pm. It is time we got off our asses and took to the streets. The whole family should come. Buses are being arranged from around the country. Contact your local branch for details or check on Facebook. it’s time to take our country back.”

      It is a protest against the household charge, which is an austerity charge on us, so maybe it will be the start of the stand against what is happening to us, the lay people

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    • Good man Mr Burns. Sharing’s caring. ;)

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  • At least progress is being made, i can see it going much further than this.

    Especially if the Greece write off starts proving to be successful.

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    • Nah this is the same as the bank guarantee no matter how much you bail them out or how much you give them it’s never enough. You might as well rip the heart still beating out of the nation and the banksters will be round the back selling your liver

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    • As soon as the euro elite have their YES vote safely in the bag in June, you will hear nothing more about it – Irish debt write down … what Irish debt writedown?

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  • ”Fine Gael is pledging to close Anglo Irish Bank and Irish Nationwide if it gets into Government”
    This is ANOTHER disgraceful u turn by the government . Yet again they have revealed themselves to be Liars, people are sick of them. They are just pushing pushing pushing. What is the sense in doing this ? How will this help struggling people?

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  • Genuine question- Does this mean i will be paying for other peoples mortgages aswell?

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    • Eggers 12/03/12 #

      David. Don’t worry, this is Ireland, the only mortgages that you’ll end up paying are the ones of a few hundred extremely wealthy men, who will walk away and live out there lives in luxury. This will cost you a fortune over your life time.

      Any measure to resolve out underwater Mortgage holders, completely insolvent ones is only ever going to cost a tenth of what was given to bail out the select few.

      It would also help kick start the economy, encourage demand in the local economy, allow people to re-build their lives, start new businesses etc. It would mean that we would no longer be pretending that this issue can be resolved any other way and that is the crux. People here know that this is a key part to resolving the crises but they are so scared shitless that someone else might benefit. There are a lot of Irish people that have no problem with the Landlord taking all the food and everyone going hungry rather than risk one of their neighbours getting a half ounce of porridge more than them. This is the key problem here, in a normal functioning economy and society they would look at the facts and see that this needs to be resolved and that it can be one of the cheaper and most effective elements of restarting this country but here, no. The small mind demands that we say nothing about the 200bn given away already and fight the 10 bn that is needed to face up to the reality that this is going to be written off anyway. I have no mortgage, no debt and property.

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  • This may be good for the banks… But it will spell disaster for the mortgage holders. Repossessions will spiral.

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  • That’s just great.
    NAMA will be our new bank manager.
    THE END IS NIGH.

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  • jimbo 12/03/12 #

    A load o rollix

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  • P Wurple 12/03/12 #

    Makes no difference to the mortgage holder I would imagine? This is a paper pushing exercise to make loan books look better for foreign investors.

    I am wondering what the definition of Non Performing trackers would be though? Take a tracker at 0.5%+ECB being paid as normal every month as an example. Is this non-performing because it is loss-making for AIB, or is it only mortgages that have fallen into arrears that are considered non-performing?

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    • Ah, good question! I don’t have the answer mind you, but that is a good question. Also, if the tracker mortgages were left with a commercial bank, they might try and buy you out of it as they are making a loss. When the loans are transferred to a non commercial / government (taxpayer) funded entity, they won’t care and just sit on them till their paid back regardless of loss or profit. Am I correct in this assumption?

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    • I would imagine its the loss making one.

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    • Ciaro 12/03/12 #

      non performing is not part of the requirement. Government are looking to take ALL trackers away from the overstaffed and overpaid Irish banks.
      This really pisses me off, I don’t even bank with these corrupt entities, why should I pay yet again for their incompetence?

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  • GRINDER 12/03/12 #

    As a huge number of tracker motgages are Buy to Let ‘investments’ and are esentially Commercial then its a good idea to shift them over as quite a large number of them will have to be re-possessed anyway.

    Our ‘banks’ gave out thousands of 100%, interest only, Trackers,for buy to let ‘investments’.

    Is it any wonder we are screwed.

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    • Ciaro 12/03/12 #

      You are wrong, most trackers are owner occupier. It was almost impossible to get a tracker for buy to let, in fact I reckon most investment mortgages were interest only.

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