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VIDEO: Today’s Dáil discussion on the controversial ‘Irish SOPA’

Miss today’s debate? Never fear – we’ve got the full video of the discussion between Seán Sherlock and Catherine Murphy here.

THE CONTROVERSIAL PLANS for new legislation on online copyright protection were discussed in the Dáil earlier this afternoon – with minister Seán Sherlock insisting he remained committed to implementing “imminent” new laws.

If you missed the debate, we have the full 15-minute exchange here:



(Apologies for the gaps between the video and audio – we’re working on an improved version.)

Read: Sherlock still committed to signing ‘imminent’ copyright law

In full: Seán Sherlock’s draft proposals for online copyright law

Debate: Ireland’s ‘SOPA’ legislation: The big arguments for and against

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Comments (37 Comments)

  • Why apart from the journal (thank you) thus hasn’t got more coverage on our state broadcaster?
    This is just diabolical and I’m truly disgusted how censorship is slowly creeping into our society and yet so many people I talked to today haven’t even heart of this.

    There was a comment made yesterday about second hand books. Believe it or not, Microsoft are releasing their new xbox 720 next year which will only play new games and not second hand games. That’s just sad I think. I worry for our future.

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    • Barry 26/01/12 #

      Why has this not got coverage other then thejournal.ie?

      Because unlike the majority of the readers who comment here the people the watch rte are pretty much clueless and have little interest in such things as privacy on the internet and copyright law. They don’t care because it doesn’t affect them “YET”!.

      By the time it does it’ll be too late

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    • For the record, The Irish Times and Sunday Business Post have also been writing about this before this week.

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    • The Xbox thing is complete speculation at this point, having spread from a single rumour on one blog (kotaku.com) . If it’s not due to launch until next year, Microsoft will be a long way off finalising its features just yet.

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    • I dont understand why this was reported so late to begin with on thejournal.
      I sent an email with a tip about ACTA to thejournal.ie on the 16th of December.

      Yet they decide to post an article about it the day before the legislation was to be signed in Ireland over a month later leaving their readers confused and rushed.

      I didnt give them a date for when it was to be signed in Ireland but I did give them ample time to begin public discourse on a piece of legislation which was being pushed into Irish law.

      I dont like sherlock but wont believe that the media outlets(including this one) were oblivious to what was going on either.

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    • John – Put simply, there is little point reporting something if it’s coming at ‘some undefined period in the future’. To do so, not knowing when it would be coming, would be an example of the sort of editorialism that is derided when it appears in the tabloid press.

      We only got confirmation this week that it was being signed on Thursday, hence the splash then.

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    • Not buying it Gavan, its nothing like tabloid journalism as its European legislation which was approved by the European Parliament over a month ago leaving it up to each state to ratify(including Ireland).
      You have people drawing stupid conclusions about Sopa being a cover for ACTA now because the media didn’t do their jobs and start public discourse about this piece of legislation earlier.
      Because you left it so late this will inevitably be passed anyway, well done.

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    • John – It hasn’t been passed by the European Parliament yet. It’s going to a committee in April and is likely to get its full ratification by the plenary session in June.

      [Edit: more details on its passage through the European Parliament: http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2011/acta:-signed,-not-yet-sealed-now-its-up-to-us ]

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    • I guess osnews had a crystal ball then –

      http://www.osnews.com/story/25436/Clueless_EU_Politicians_Sign_ACTA

      The public has no idea what’s going on because a piece of legislation which was around way before December wasn’t brought to their attention in time.

      Now we have conspiracy theories and pissed off people on social media who think a huge secret
      has just been uncovered.

      To top it off we have columns from vice presidents of music labels which share a progressive view on IP laws no doubt because they are well aware that the legislation will inevitably go through now that its so close to being signed which will surely boost record sales whilst still giving them the ability of availing of a piece of legislation which tramples on our civil liberties.

      So don’t talk to me about tabloid like behaviour please. This legislation will go through because because it was buried for so long.

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  • This man doesn’t even know where he is, let alone what he is doing! More negative imaging of Ireland within Europe and indeed the IT industry..silly man

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  • S...G 26/01/12 #

    This legislation would be a disaster to people’s privacy, online businesses, social media and the economy

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  • It appears ACTA has been officially signed. Anonymous are p1ssed. According to the Faebook page, all EU Members will be targeted. It appears the EU Parliament, Polish Government and Italian Government websites have been shut.

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  • EU EU EU that’s all we hear,we have to pass this or pay this or do this or a bomb will go off ……Whats the point in having the Dail when our government are mere secretaries of Europe.
    The government wants a smart economy,they clearly haven’t a clue.

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  • I counted 8 TD’s present at the ‘debate’ earlier today. That’s 8 out of 166 TD’s. Still haven’t decided if that’s a good or bad thing!

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  • In one of the most important debates we’ll see this year in the Dail, it looks like there was a 10% attendance rate.Disgraceful!Where were the United Left Alliance?! Fair play to Keating and Murphy for putting their points across in a concise and productive manner.What is so bizarre about Sherlocks final point is that he admits that no matter what you do to try and stop piracy, the Internet will “evolve to circumvent it” and that the stakeholders involved need to get together to find a better solution rather than shutting down websites.

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  • Why is Sean Sherlock committing political suicide?

    Has he been promised a big payout or a seat on the board of EMI/SONY or another greedy corporation once his term is finished?

    I think so!

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  • Is he going to arrange this pow-wow between the ISPs Websites and the Music and Film industry, maybe this should be facilitated by the government before pushing through some vague legislation.

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  • Sherlock does not grasp that entertainment interests effectively want more control over the Internet, over users’ searches on the Internet, and ultimately more control over shaping users’ experiences on the Internet. The music industry wishes to restrict Internet searches to ensure they only return ‘approved’ sites and content, industry approved that is. Imagine if the book industry decided that every time a search for a particular book was conducted, only sites approved by a cartel of publishers would returned in the results. It is only a small step to complete censorship and complete suppression of independent competition. The policing of all this will be forced on the ISPs, the search engine and social network providers by entertainment interests courtesy of government legislation. It puts in mind the image of walking through a European city but being fined by municipal officers if you look in one window rather another, visit one restaurant rather than another, catch a show in one theatre rather than other. All too USSR.

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    • Brilliantly put Adam. We can’t really say the internet is free anymore or that nobody owns it because clearly that isn’t true, Big brother, or rather Big Buisness, would have us believe free speech is alive and well on the net (but you can’t read that from there, or watch this from that) and nobody owns the Internet © (use of the name available from $9.99) but its becoming a joke.

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  • Well the only thing he managed to make any sense on was that music companies need to sit down.. but not with ISP’s. They need to become more innovative and affordable. Music companies have been draining every penny out of people for to long. If the music artist hasto take a cut on their musical property well so be it! Might calm down some of the extravagant lifestyles.. Apple have been leaders with the way music is delivered but it’s still to expensive, I think a monthly subscription to the likes of grooveshark.com etc is a good beginging and the way forward but it’s still always going to be easy to rip music off despite all this legislation, blocked by ISPs or
    Not! People will just use flash cards USB sticks to pass or
    Copy music etc! It might even be easier to that now! Who knows?

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    • back in the day it was the horrible people recording songs onto tapes that had the music moguls up in arms! i still have my double tape deck stereo if the internet becomes completely of limits for music ;)

      the record companies they need to change their busibess structure!

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  • Protest planned for this Saturday 2.00pm at the Dail.

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  • To summarise Sean Sherlock between all the ehh ehhh eu eu Ehh hah, reminded me of when I didn’t do my homework and had to deliver a impromptu presentation.
    He is representing EMI music industry because they are not happy with the outcome of the court case versus UPC, no legislation is taught out only a vendetta is in play, plain and simple. we will suffer kinda like the evoting machines except we will loose jobs and he will retain his position.

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  • Originally posted by Steve Kay, but this explains everything about Sean, a reminder of how to laugh.
    http://i.imgur.com/uHcVs.png

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  • he’s typing Google into Google!!!!

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  • As my friend pointed out today piracy is still possible with CDs. One could burn an album on a CD and pass it around to friends to share music for free. It is near impossible to stop piracy IMO.

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