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THE IRISH AIR LINE Pilots’ Association (IALPA) is considering further strike action in its pay dispute with Aer Lingus.
It comes after fresh talks aimed at resolving the ongoing dispute between the airline and the pilots’ union taking part in industrial action broke down today.
IALPA pilots are already set to strike from 5am to 1pm this coming Saturday.
In a statement to The Journal, a spokesperson for the union said: “The IALPA executive is considering a further work stoppage due to the companies clear escalation today by informing IALPA that it will unilaterally terminate the standing collective agreements, should IALPA not agree to amend them.
“This type of escalation is extremely unhelpful and disappointing at the is point in time when IALPA moved from its position with an aim to reach an agreement.”
In a statement, Aer Lingus said it noted the intention of IALPA to consider further strike action and to request Forsa’s approval of such action.
“Aer Lingus believes that this would be entirely inappropriate given the request of the Labour Court this week that the dispute should not be escalated,” the statement read.
At around 9.30am this morning, officials from IALPA and the airline arrived at a hotel for talks in an attempt to bring an end to the stand-off.
Around an hour later, IALPA president Mark Tighe emerged to say both sides had agreed to allow a smaller negotiating team to try and progress talks.
Discussions between IALPA and Aer Lingus then continued with a team of three on each side.
However, Tighe this afternoon said that “at this point, talks have broken down”.
“We are allowed a smaller group – both sides did – to meet to see if they could come to some sort (of agreement),” said Tighe.
“IALPA officially moved from its inflationary figure of 23.88%.
“The company has not moved from its statement that anything more than 12.25% would have to be funded by pilots’ own payments through work practice.”
Aer Lingus chief corporate affairs officer Donal Moriarty said that the airline “engaged constructively” in discussions with IALPA and Forsa.
“We tried to discuss items that could actually resolve this dispute, in particular we tried to discuss productivity, flexibility and the modernisation of our collective agreement,” Moriarty said.
“Unfortunately IALPA was unable to enter into discussions on those items. In fact, it informed that it had no mandate to do so.
“We advised IALPA and encouraged them to revisit that mandate in order to put within their power the normal aspect of pay negotiations.”
An Aer Lingus spoksperson said that ahead of all-out strike action over an eight-hour period on Saturday, “it would seem that this would be an opportune time for IALPA to meet pilots to adjust IALPA’s mandate so that it is capable of engaging in meaningful negotiations that can resolve this dispute”.
IALPA began an indefinite work-to-rule yesterday and will also take part in an all-out strike over an eight-hour period on Saturday.
Aer Lingus has cancelled 270 flights so far, though the airline warned earlier this week that passengers may only be informed of flight cancellations at the departure gate.
No delays were reported at Dublin Airport yesterday on the first day of industrial action and an Aer Lingus employee told The Journal that no passengers have arrived so far for cancelled flights.
In a statement, IALPA said it has been in negotiations for a 22-month period and that it hopes resolution can be achieved.
IALPA is seeking a pay increase of 23.8% over three years, which it says is “clearly reasonable and affordable for a profitable company such as Aer Lingus.”
The union noted that in 2023, Aer Lingus had a full year operating profit of €225 million.
This was a 400% increase on 2022, when a full year operating profit of €45 million was recorded.
President of IALPA Mark Tighe yesterday said members “do not want to be in this situation” but are here as a result of “corporate greed” on behalf of Aer Lingus.
Aer Lingus is a part of the International Airlines Group (IAG), which includes British Airways, and Tighe yesterday told RTÉ that IAG has already offered a 24% pay increase to British Airways’ pilots.
The airline has said it is willing to offer pay increases of 12.5% or above if “improvements in productivity and flexibility” are discussed.
IALPA voted to undertake industrial action after rejecting a Labour Court recommendation of a 9.25% pay increase for pilots.
Both IALPA and Aer Lingus attended separate meetings with the Labour Court on Tuesday on the eve of the industrial action, but the Court said it would not be intervening at this time and would review the matter in July.
With additional reporting from Jane Moore and Press Association
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Pay the pilots
@Michael o Dwyer: Great suggestion. I hope you’re ready for the corresponding increase in fares to finance your suggestion
@Michael o Dwyer: Labour court already did it’s bit here. 9.25% was their initial recommendation. Their remit is to come up with a fair recommendation based on all facts to hand etc. Anyway, a 12.5% was subsequently offered by AL and refused by IALPA ( I Am Low Paid Airline-pilot ). That offer was 33% more than labour court recommended. This action is just bullyboy tactics.
Never give in to bullies or Low Paid Airline-pilots !
@john logan: Let them stew in their own sauce for a while. They’ll all have friends and family affected by this. The longer it goes on the hotter it’ll get !!
@Ian McDonald: I fly quite a bit and can’t remember the last time with Aer Lingus so won’t make any difference to the likes of me, hopefully the EU will approve another Ryanair takeover attempt, shouldn’t be a problem with EasyJet competition operating in ROI.
@Ian McDonald: A co pilot get 35k a year. Would you take on the same responsibility for that salary.
@6gRrQtLn: They may be training, but the have to know how to handle every situation, in the evening to PIC becoming incapacitated.
@Patrick MC Dermott: The co pilot only keeps an eye on the captain in case he goes to sleep mid flight. Why can’t the co pilot do cabin crew work mid flight and so only 3 cabin crew and lower fares.
@Ian McDonald: it costs a lot of money to become a highly skilled pilot if they were willing to spend their time and money on becoming a pilot well dome to them and pay them what Is rightfully theirs. They took a paycut 5 years ago and it hasn’t changed while all the people at the top of aer Lingus Are getting yearly bonuses. As for the am I willing to pay to fly yes. If you are not fly with someone else
@john logan: so if workers go on strike they are bullies now are they?
@Ian McDonald: So what? Do you mean pay the real value of something so people can get properly paid? Then yes. But even that won’t happen because Aer Lingus profits were over 400%, prices won’t rise because now they had to eat an extra 14% of their 400% profits. The shareholders will just take a “hit” because Ryanair flies where Aerlugus fly, so other airlines in Europe and North America. Delta has great deals, so Aer Lingus won’t simply hike the prices when there is plenty of competition out there
@6gRrQtLn: do plumbers or electrician pay circa 120k to train?
@tim Ontheroad: Do trainee pilots pay €120k to train? That’s alot of dosh to have swimming around in your back pocket to spend on a prospective career. I think if you look a bit deeper into it, those fees are subsidised (or paid in full) by an airline when you enter their training program. If someone has €120k to spend on their pilots licence, they are probably already have a successful career and flying aircraft is a hobby!!
@tim Ontheroad: So the pilots didn’t realise the cost of training and the employment situation once qualified? I keep hearing it costs x amount to train we get that but we all have choices, they could have decided to become a c suite executive and call the shots
@Paul Ennis: no need for me to look any deeper into it my friend because I can vouch for it first hand, commercial pilot license will be about 90k and your type rating will be 30k on top of that and trust me, none of it is subsidised, if you’re lucky enough to get into the AL programme you’re sorted, they’ll cover it but the numbers that into that are small
@Jim Connolly: Jim you’re embarrassing yourself at this stage with these comments!
@Patrick MC Dermott: starting remuneration is €63,500
@Ian McDonald: Cut the pay of the Senior Management.
@Ian McDonald: Based on last years passenger numbers it would cost €4.50 per passenger per flight and EI would maintain their 225 million profit. But they’re forecasting growth this year as well, so……
@Paul Ennis: that’s the dopiest Journal comment I’ve read all year…
@6gRrQtLn: The amount of money it takes to train as a pilot is quite expensive
@Michael o Dwyer: I 100% agree! Not only do I support the pilots right to strike, but I also support their cause despite the fact that my own holiday is in joeprady! Seemingly greed is only acceptable at the corporate top, and the minions should just suck up the cost of inflation and be satisfied with their lot!
I’m disgusted at the politicians saying this is a reputationable damage to Ireland. They SOLD our interest in our national airline and are now calling out the workers for wanting better terms and conditions. I say shame on Aer Lingus but a bigger shame on the government for supporting this charade!
@Jim Connolly: would you ever just leave the stage…
@tim Ontheroad: By the AL program, I assume you mean Aer Lingus. So they do pay for training their pilots? And for everyone else, it sounds like an elite club of non essential workers. My point is that those costs are not going to enhance the sympathy from Joe Public!
@john logan: corporate bootlicker.
@Ian McDonald: why ? They made 223 million last year,if their fares are to high people will use another airline
@6gRrQtLn: jeez so a plumber is the same as pilot???
Try reading your comments before you post them
@Jim Connolly: back to bed Jim
@David Connell: exactly,2.8 million for the top 3 it’s obscene
@J Ven: i imagine any profits they make is used to purchase new planes and as you know can be quite expensive
The notion that auto pilot flies a plane is inaccurate. Look at teh only pilot to land a plane on the Hudson river in the USA. That’s why pilots are worth their pay rise. I’d prefer an experienced pilot to get me home safely in an emergency like a storm etc. They spend many years training and undergo medicals regularly and if teh fail they are out of a job that’s how important the role of a pilot is. Aer Lingus are bullies always have been and always will be and don’t give a damn about customers
@Adrian Aungier: Billions to one chance of an event like this. Pilots should work in the cabin between take off and landing. No need for them to be sitting watching a monitor with modern computer systems. Less cabin crew needed if one of them was occupied selling scratch cards or selling coffee.
@jak: Boring!
@Jim Connolly: do you honestly believe the complete rubbish that you post ?
Even you can’t fail to see the importance of pilots and the huge safety issues that they carry on a day to day basis,
Have you ever been in a plane ??
@sean weir: he’s either a total wind up or dumb as a bag of hammers. Either way. Sad.
@jak: an uneducated comment. I am not a pilot do you read comments or do you get them transcribed for you. read my comment and stop talking nonsense
@Jim Connolly: Its not billions to 1 where did you get that figure from. if you were one of the 170 passengers on that flight you would be glad that in your words that your were a billion to one survivor. I think you need to take your meds ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
@Adrian Aungier: 14 months of training, paid for by Aer Lingus, including accommodation and food. Yes, years of training.
@Mike Carson: the pilots should be grateful so they should.
@Sean Money: Ya imagine an apprentice electrician getting his accommodation and food paid for puy his employer. 4 years of it to ,but not as skilled or qualified as a pilot I guess. Pilots are glorified bus drivers. Actually that’s wrong because bus drivers deal with a hell of a lot more stress and need to be more aware 100% of the time and have no co pilot. Software flies planes, as proven by the Boeing crashes, the pilots couldn’t do a thing when the software glitched. All they do is take off land and listen to & relay information.
@Mike Carson: sack them I say
@Adrian Aungier: I agree with your sentiment but Walter Mitty Anorack that I am have to point out that the miracle on the Hudson was largely assisted by the auto pilot. The decision to engage the APU when he did was his, but it leveled the wings for him and kept them level. Also in bad weather the auto pilot does even more of the flying as it allows for lower minima on precision approaches. Mentour pilot does a good piece on can a passenger land a 737. Now you’d need the right equipment at the airport and need to follow instructions very carefully but it shows how much automation there is, and has to be to handle modern airliners. Pilot demands are totally reasonable here though, simple market forces at the moment.
@Mike Carson: that’s not even remotely true! Most pilots these days find their own training at significant cost and are indentured for decades to pay it off.
@Adrian Aungier: vast majority of airplane crashes are due to human error. Not paying heed to warnings, over riding the auto pilot etc.
@jak: You just can’t get a sillier comment than that
@sean weir: I travel on Ryanair ( a brilliant airline) every second week. A pilot is just an aircraft driver nowadays. Why stop at two of them to drive it with the aid of computers. Maybe three or four to watch the others and to be sure to be sure.
@Mike Carson: Good description.
@T S: It’s quite literally on the aer Lingus website.
@Mike Carson: I can assure you lad that its a VERY small percentage get the luxury of that, full commercial pilot training costs ls in region of 120k and food and accommodation has to be paid for also
@tim Ontheroad: If you choose that route, the same way studying medicine abroad will set you back similar cash if you can’t get the luxury of getting a place in an irish college. What’s your point? Aer lingus are actively trying to hire 90 Pilots through this route. I don’t recall aer lingus pilots being in indentured servitude, surely that would be one of the concerns raised by this industrial action if that was the case? BA, a sister airline with in the same group, also run an academy program similar to this. Look you made an assumption that aer Lingus is a evil company that takes advantage of people and assumed the don’t cover cost of training its ok., it’s actually ryanair that do that. But aer lingus actually pays it pilots well already and have that academy that enables those who can’t afford to pay the, admittinaly, high cost of private pilot training an opportunity, if they have a the skill set. If anything this industrial action could scupper any chances of this continuing
@Mike Carson: More uninformed comments again today. Does you’re employer know you spend so much time on the Journal trolling?!?!…… Training is “funded” and accommodation….etc during the cadet program so that future pilots can focus on an intensive training schedule. They are employees in the making and the airline are hiring them because they need them and want them to get through to meet staffing demand. They start their career on a reduced salary in order to pay back the training costs and should they leave the airline soon after completing the training they have to pay back the training costs as per their contract…… This is irrelevant to the COL pay claim and further shows how little you know about the industry!…. It’s really sad!
@another one? what’s going on is the semi state sec: Slow day at the office. That’s the case for all employers. My employer paid for my education. If I let within two years of completion of each course i completed i would of be liable to pay back the cost. I was on a lower salary for 3 years until i proved myself.My comments are not uninformed. Do apprenticeship not follow a similar format. Do doctors not get used for free during their studies and do the not get well compensated, just like pilots ,when they qualify. I honestly don’t get your point.
@another one? what’s going on is the semi state sec: By the way, pointing out the flaws in the perceived logic and sense of entitlement
of wanna be communists who think everyone should get an equal piece of the pie weather they put in effort or not is not trolling it’s called living in a free market capitalist society. You get what you put in. There are several communist countries you could go to if you feel your not getting what you want here. You know, places like China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, or North Korea.
@Mike Carson: You’re insinuating it’s paid for by the company. It initially is and then reimbursed by the employee. So inadvertently paid for by the employee. Most aren’t lucky enough to go the cadet route as it is so hard to get on. You’re belittling the duration of the training and have no idea what it involves….. Whether you like it or not it’s a very serious career with huge responsibility and a lot of learning. They are paid accordingly and EI pilots earn a lot less than other airlines and more than others. You quote nonsense salary figures and make nonsense statements about a job you don’t seem to know anything about….. FYI Nobody cares about you and your comparisons to career so far. Laughable that you’re happy with your 3.5% increase. You reek of jealousy of them!
@Adrian Aungier: I always throw a twenty into the pilots cap when he standing at the door when iam leaving the plane
@Sean Money: tug that forelock Sean
@jak: Great unthought out comment, who flies the planes with them all sacked?!?! Great way to destroy a business.
Well, my holiday was cancelled, so I’ve nothing else to lose. Pilots, you are the gatekeepers here. Don’t give in, or they’ll walk all over the cabin crews next. Aer Lingus should have negotiated earlier in good faith.
Fire the pilots. Taking it out on their fellow citizens is dispicible.
@smatrix mantra: Shurrrupp!
@smatrix mantra: that’s right ,let’s keep tugging the forelock to the boss no matter what ,like a good wee lad
@smatrix mantra: Sure, Comrade! Ignore democracy, a free market economy, worker’s rights, just fire them.
1. Flying is not a basic human right, it’s a privilege, even while living on an island
2. people have the godgiving right to protest and even more, to work exactly as their contract says, who said they have to work overtime? That’s optional, if Aer Lingus relied too much on overtime work and angered their employees, you don’t need to be a genius to see this coming.
3. Companies also have their god giving right to fire anyone, but if they do, they just provide a reason, and by law, a work dispute and even a strike are no reasons, so the airline would have to compensate every pilot, we’re not talking a €20K compensation, here, they don’t work at Tesco, maybe add another zero.
4. Investigate and see how society was in the beginning of the 20th century before worker’s unions were created, government legislation, worker’s rights. I hate community, I despise leftist Marxist ideas and worker’s union today are a cesspool of corruption, but still, back then, you were nothing, there were no holiday mandates, sick pay, maximum working hours, what you take for granted today didn’t exist, you wouldn’t make it in the year 1910, people worked 6-7 days a week like animals.
5. Don’t you see that this will have a knock-on effect on your wages? The public sector did it, and now pilots, many people are doing it, eventually it will set precedence and salaries will have to rise to a fairer level because we’re not entrepreneurs, we didn’t take the risk of having a business, we need to get paid regardless a the fair market rates, hence pilots are asking for a 24% increase to cope with inflation and not a 400% pay increase.
@J Ven: what rights did god give us again exactly? From my recollection the church and state separated so god’s’ given rights dont really matter. If they did i could buy slaves, Leviticus 25:39–46. Also rising salaries are not necessarily a good thing, it just means an increase in the cost of everything so you will end up no better off anyway. You think if wages suddenly rise that it means you can afford to spend more? If labour costs go up so does the cost of everything at the end of that labour. A better solution would be to reduce income taxes on wages. That way we don’t cost the employer more but we still come home with more cash in our pocket. Prices wouldn’t need to rise as a result, although greed would set in eventually and price would rise anyway. Never mind, 30% pay rises mandatory for all.
@Mike Carson: That’s not black and white like you say, otherwise we could just get paid 40 shillings as we did 100 years ago. How does Norway do it? They pay more taxes than us, they earn more than we do and overall, even with higher prices, they have a better quality of life than we do. Explain that. A Polit there gets paid more than an Aer Lingis Pilot, and yet, the country functions. I’m all ears.
@smatrix mantra: But they are also taking out their lower paid co-workers!! Cabin and ground crew are have their shifts cut (not overtime) because of the work to rule.
@J Ven: Actually a study carried out last year showed that ireland ranked highest when it came to quality of life in the eu although how these are actually measured is debatable. Norway on paper looks better, it has better public funded services and on average wages are 25%ish higher, but here’s the kicker, food fuel drink all around 25% higher in cost too. I’m not going to post links because there’s alot but a quick google search will throw them up for you. Some prices
Domestic Beer (1 pint draught) Ireland €6.00 (68.44 kr)
Norway €8.77 (100.00 kr) +46.1 %
Meal at McDonalds (or Equivalent Combo Meal)
Ireland €9.00 (102.66 kr) Norway €11.40(130.00 kr)+26.6 %
Cappuccino (regular) Ireland €3.60 €(41.09 kr) Norway €4.15
(47.29 kr) +15.1 %
To buy a house is 24% cheaper on average in norway but again higher tax so possibly ends up the same cost as living in ireland.
I think the perceived better-quality of life come from better public services. The cost of living is on par with here if you take into account the higher tax paid. Wages can go up but the cost or what they can purchase will also increase leaving you no better off.
@Mike Carson: My good man, I lived in Norway, a supermarket cashier can make €3000 per month after tax, houses are cheaper, salaries a more than 25%, perhaps an IT or highly skilled engineer is a 25% difference, but that’s about it. You have more disposable income as a society in Norway and salaries are higher. Mood and society’s thinking is another thing, but it has been proven. Ask a Norwegian, If you just Google, on paper, we’re the second richest country in the world per capita, more than Switzerland, good luck with that!
@smatrix mantra: and replace them with what? You do know there’s a pilot shortage?
@J Ven: Norway didn’t sell off their oil and has a sovereign wealth fund worth over $1.6 trillion as a result. It can’t be used as a comparison to Ireland. Aer Lingus is a small cookie but the owners can’t give in to outrageous AL pilot demands or they will have much bigger problems to their bottom line. If pilots in their important airlines like BA and Iberia see them cave to AL they will follow a similar path.
@J Ven: Don’t entertain Mike Carson. He’s just trolling. Comical clueless posts.
I’m sure the majority of the public would agree that a 25% increase in salary is ludicrous, what company offers this, regardless of the last pay increase in 2019, I still think that 25% is absurd, meet in the middle, 10-12% as a starting point with clauses, and review, like any other private company, the bottom line is we the taxpayer will fund the increase regardless of what it is, the pilots can only get their point across by striking in peak season, but how awful it must be for families that have saved hard for their much needed holiday to be told look elsewhere it we will give you a refund, right now, to leave Ireland will cost €500, there is t a flight or ferry to be found under that price, I for one will never ever fly Aer Lingus again, as this is ludicrous
@Julie Foley: what is absurd is that you don’t understand the situation at all. How would taxpayers be liable for pay increases of staff that work for a company that was privatised about 20 years ago!
@KB: I presume she mean by fare hikes to cover losses.
@Sean Parker: I wouldn’t bet on it
@KB: Potential bail outs or maybe the person was trying to imply that cost of flights will go up and mistakenly said tax pay instead of the average joe. All assumptions on my behalf i don’t claim to speak the mind of others.
@Julie Foley: To be fair, it’s 23.8% over 3 years (just under 8% per annum). IALPA claim that they took pay cuts during COVID and that has not been restored (I cannot find any references to how much this was). The minimum wage has already increased by 23% since Covid and will continue to increase over the next 3 years. Inflation over the last 4 years were 2.4%, 7.8%, 6.3% and 2.6% in 2024. This equates to a 20% reduction in real income for every person in the country including pilots
@Mike Carson: Unfortunately you speak your own mind for all to see!!!
@Julie Foley: It’s called negotiations. They start high, company start low and usually meet somewhere in the middle. Company playing hardball to maintain massive profits and hoping to cut some pilot conditions. Pilots playing hardball to catch up with inflation and stop it reducing the value of their pay. Aerlingus is happy to lose money and customers in the short run. Nothing to do with the tax payer, they’re a private company who made 225 million profit last year. The parent group made 3.5 billion profit. The increased would add €4.50 to a fare based on last year’s passenger numbers if they were to maintain the same profit…… Or they could absorb it. Profit doesn’t need to increase every year. How much is enough?!?!
@Nestor. The pilots said they didn’t have a mandate to negotiate changes in working conditions. There is enough AL spinning and it seems to be influencing many people judging by your comments.
More competition needed – get Waterford Airport going again
The pilots complained that Aer Lingus didn’t invite them to direct negotiations.
Aer Lingus invite them to direct negotiations and the pilots say they don’t have a mandate to negotiate.
This really is nonsense.
Aer Lingus should not give in to them.
@Nestor: BS.. You think after 22 months of negotiations that the company don’t know the union are not going to enter into talks about productivity in order to achieve what they believe to be pay restoration. That has been the mandate of the union reps for 22 months.. Don’t be another simpleton falling for the company spin on this.
@Nestor: so many corporate bootlickers on this thread with terrible and inaccurate takes. Wonder who they might be employed by….
People say how important pilots are, see Hudson River landing. Otoh, German Wings pilot killed how many,160? On purpose! Automate them away, they are begging for it and it’s coming.
@smatrix mantra: can’t come soon enough for the holidaymakers strapped over a barrell by IALPA ( I Am Low Paid Airline-pilot)
@smatrix mantra: pilots out!!
@smatrix mantra: I often wondered if drone-like technology could be used to remove pilots from planes. Maybe just have 1 person in case of an emergency.
@Mike Carson: the pilots will regret this Mike, being far too greedy
@Sean Money: it’s not greed to have your wage adjusted to what it was 5 years ago. It is greed to hoard hundreds of millions of euro in profits and pay your directors/executives etc… massive salaries with inflated pay rises. Aer Lingus are the bloated fat cat and you are licking it’s hole
Over the past 2 years, Aer Lingus executives have received a %67 increase in their salaries. It’s time the people at the very top paid their way. They are destroying society.
It states IALPA moved from 23.8% but to what %?
@You’re Not Serious: looks like they reduced their claim to just over 22%
Sounds like they can not get over ‘macho grande’. (For us older folks).
IALPA is a disgrace. 24% payrise is unattainable. The fallback from such a payrise could sink the company. I’ve never heard of so many people not supporting a strike.
Why nowadays with remote controls, drones as an example, do they have to have two pilots driving the plane. It’s time for one of them to do the job and have the four cabin crew members trained to take instructions from the controller on the ground in the unlikely event that something happened to the pilot. Aer Lingus pilots are living in pre computer times. It used to take four of them to drive a plane when the fares were 200 pounds(€250) to London 50 years ago.
@Jim Connolly: Just for the record, I won’t be flying Connolly Airlines just yet!!
@Paul Ennis: Why would you cross the street, big chance some nut case in a souped up car would appear. Infinitesimal chance of an aircraft crash with all the back ups and computer advances. Connolly Air will be on standby if the best European airline, Ryanair, gets overbooked.
@Jim Connolly: Drive? It’s a long drive to Malaga you clown.
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