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Two years’ service means ministers now guaranteed to receive pensions

The government was appointed two years ago today – meaning senior ministers now have enough service for a pension.

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CABINET MINISTERS today mark the exact second anniversary of their appointment – meaning they are now entitled to pensions in respect of their time in office.

Enda Kenny’s cabinet was formed on March 9, 2011 – with today’s anniversary bringing the senior ministers over the threshold that guarantees them a pension for life once they step down from office.

Five of the fifteen ministers, including Taoiseach Enda Kenny, already had pension entitlements because they had served in cabinet before – but Kenny’s promotion to Taoiseach, and the new service of ten of his ministers, mean they can now expect extra pensions.

If he were to resign today, Kenny would receive an annual pension of €21,466 for his two years as Taoiseach, on top of over €15,000 he would receive after serving as Minister for Tourism and Trade in the Rainbow Coalition between 1994 and 1997.

Eamon Gilmore would receive €18,347 a year for his two years as Tánaiste – separate to nearly €7,500 he would receive having served as a junior minister in the same government in the 1990s.

Other ministers would now entitled to €15,321 a year if they were to resign immediately.

Longer careers reap bigger pensions

In some cases, veteran ministers with previous cabinet experience would receive considerably more. Michael Noonan’s nine years in cabinet, as the minister responsible for Justice, Industry, Health and now Finance, mean he would receive over €42,000 a year – almost double what Kenny would receive at present.

This would change in coming years, however, as Noonan would reach the maximum of ten years’ service taken into account for a pension, while Kenny’s pension for his time as Taoiseach would continue to rise.

Kenny’s pension as Taoiseach is significantly lower than those of his predecessors because of his relatively short cabinet career. Bertie Ahern’s ten years as Taoiseach mean his pension is the maximum that any minister could accrue, while Brian Cowen served 13 years in cabinet before his time as Taoiseach.

The cut to the Taoiseach’s salary, which has nearly halved in the last five years, also means the pensions accrued are much smaller.

Other Labour ministers from the Rainbow Coalition era, including Ruairí Quinn and Brendan Howlin, would see their pensions rise to over €30,000 as a result of previous service.

13 of the 14 current junior ministers, meanwhile – all but Joe Costello, who was not appointed until December – will be in line to receive annual pensions of €7,474 when they mark two years of service tomorrow.

These pensions are separate to the parliamentary pensions that ministers would also be entitled to, in respect of their time serving in the Dáil or Seanad.

Ten of the 15 cabinet ministers, including Kenny and Gilmore, have served the maximum 20 years that can be taken into account for a parliamentary pension – giving them €46,336 a year.

Parliamentary pensions are preceded by a lump sum equivalent to three years’ worth of their annual payment – a maximum of €139,008 – while people leaving ministerial office receive a severance payment when they leave office.

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  • Is anyone starting to feel that the media , RTE in particular is just an extension of government policy. A mouthpiece if you will.

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    • Absolutely John. Have you listened to Joe Duffy lately? To hear him talk about how there’s no way of avoiding the property tax would make you sick. I honestly think that a coordinated boycott of RTE is justified. The protests that are taking place every day don’t get any coverage by this channel. State broadcaster is dead right.

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    • Was thinking the same, something not right with the news feed they put out.

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    • In the Phoenix magazine they are saying that Dennis O has instructed print and media to keep the government stories light and soft ball

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    • And that’s inline with FG who frequently have their supporters bombard chat shows on radio and I’m sure they have hacks on here. They rant about SF, you’ll know them when you see them.

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    • Hi John, I’m glad people are starting to notice this. I thought I was paranoid.

      RTE is nothing short of government propaganda. I turn it off whenever I hear it. Joe Duffy is a prime example, it’s pathetic.

      BOYCOTT THE CRAP.

      Adebayo

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    • Correct, RTE didn’t even report on the protest at Leinster house the other day & comments were not allowed on it here either.

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    • I call it state radio we are more like the old Russia every day, And the real sting is you pay a fee for rte/fox news every year.

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    • By protest do you mean that poor fella who doused himself in petrol? He must have been out of his mind.

      RE RTE then they say we have to pay a “broadcast charge” to subsidise the sh*te they spout even if we aren’t consuming the sh*tr they spout! Absolute joke! Cut rte loose but put legislation there to keep it independant of big media. Surely through the arts council and grants etc the government cud aid in the production of public service broadcasting without the need to own 2 tv stations and whatever radio stations! That way the quality of tv abd radio across all platforms in ireland wud improve as they wud be partnering with tv3(usually pure tripe) and tg4(surprisingly high quality as is) as well as other radio stations and perhaps web services. Anyway, sorry kinda hijacked the thread!

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    • Frank – We closed comments because speculation as to the guy’s motives or problems is not helpful in trying to make sure he gets whatever assistance he needs. No need for conspiracy theories.

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    • I have been saying it for years John.

      Just this week they failed to report a number of protests around the country and ones outside the Dail.
      They totally avoid when they can, mentioning Ben Gilroy of the Direct Democracy Ireland Party who is also standing for election.

      A LOT of their much high paid ‘stars’ who do interviews at primetimes, are either connected to FF or FG also – and give government ministers continuously, an easy ride in questions, often letting them off the hook with questions that need to be asked or on answers that should be followed up on.

      RTE is an absolute disgrace.

      Whats more, you and I are now and will be in the future with the new “Media charge” be forced to pay for it – a service that many DO NOT want – yet because the government wants their mouthpiece funded, they are taking 80%+ of licence money and just giving it to them – and this is on top of private revenue that they pull in from private advertising and product placements also!

      RTE is a national disgrace.

      http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3944/88246652632832075283596.jpg

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    • Listened to Duffy yesterday and he certainly sounded like Vradkar in disguise, there was zero balance in his show, sounded like he couldn’t understand the plight people are in. In fact what the hell was I doing listening to the useless feck, embarrassed that I admitted to it.

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    • Thanks Gavan, no conspiracy here. I would be interested in why he threatened to do it outside Leinster house though. The Tibetans are well documented here when it happens.

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    • Liveline is a listener driven programme. Issues that concern listeners most, dictate the programme’s content. Joe Duffy has a legal obligation to maintain a balanced view in any issue discussed. These types of programme are notorious for attracting libel action, complaints to the BCC and are subject to severe legal constraints. That’s why he may sometimes come across as pro government.

      Most people find it hard to stomach the huge salaries being paid to RTE’s headliners particularly in the current economic climate but most are freelancers and negotiate their own contracts. If I go for a job and demand a salary of €200,000 with benefits and my boss agrees to pay it, that’s not my fault! I want the best package I can negotiate for myself. I’m hardly going to say “Ah sure times are hard, give me the minimum wage, an extended lunch and I’ll be grand.” Just like everyone else in this country, these people have a right to earn a living and provide for their families. The reason they’re paid such high salaries is simply because, rightly or wrongly, RTE agreed to.

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    • Martin that’s fine but where is joes anger at the unfairness in society. I want the presenter paid huge money from licences to rip the arse if a minister who advocates greedy policies that rip off the poor not just say” ah well that’s the law” if the law is an ass lets call it what it is FFS enough is enough. Where is RTE s moral compass pointing and their tv is mostly crap anyway, Brendan o Connor FFS aaassshhhhhhhrggggggghhj

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    • Frank very scary that the goverment has this power we are starting to look like we belong in the African league of nations ,people did you see lagarde on the state media machine RTE NEWS telling us that austerity is working and keep up the good work at paying your banking masters money you do not even owe ,and then we saw i think it was MALI and the poor aficans and how the are trying to rebuild their country after a war and this to make us feel better about the situation we find ourselves in ,talk about utter propaganda.

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    • My slant on it folks is that it’s very important to watch R.T.E. …….. It let’s you know what they think works for the general populace…then watch Euronews and see what they are not telling you ! ….R.T.E. are, as far as I’m concerned is “selling” African Aid and Syrian war for some reasons while neglecting EUROPEAN issues such as the COLLAPSE of the BULGARIAN GOVERNMENT because of austerity and the EVICTIONS OF 350,000 SPANISH people from their homes …stuff like that and then perhaps the most amazing thing of all they never show what the weather is like in Russia on the world weather report – which is a shame cos I really want to know how Conor Lenihan is getting on over there in his new job for a Russian Oil oligarch ….ahhhhh R.T.E. !-well worth the price of the licence I think!

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    • Are people only realising this now ! Was always the case !! Only way to shake up the RTE shower would be a massive cut to their salaries … Which we pay through TV licence payments !!
      And therefore the solution is ……

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    • I noticed this during the first lisbon treaty that RTE newstalk and all the print media, were blatantly pushing the government side. 100% of the presenters on newstalk advocated a yes vote when 52% of the population were against it. But I am sick of RTE yesterday they had the head of revenue on sixone and it seemed like a How to pay advertisment , and no question on the deferment and how you would end up paying 4% extra at the end of every period so that the deferment could acrue for decades if the people don’t gain employment and the government could end up owning your house. We are being managed
      as a people by our betters How long before Vincent Brown is pulled off the air I wonder.

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    • RTÉ has no obligation to give special treatment to the far left views of this site.

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    • Higgins….Get back into your hole ye clown, or is it Enda’s hole.

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    • No Higgins they don’t but they are obliged to give Government special treatment after all it is our useless government that decides how much of OUR money RTE gets and they get a hell of a lot of it!

      We pay we should decide!
      #boycott

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    • Is that the best you can do David ‘what a typical Fine Gael comment’ anyone who are against what your crowd are at must be far left ‘ you are a joke’, I doubt if there is one far left person on this site, I used to be Fine Gael voter but NEVER AGAIN. It must be annoying that so many people see through your partys autocratic leanings.

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    • RTE is nothing more than a corrupt government’s PR machine. Fact!

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  • iohanx 09/03/13 #

    Don’t have a problem with them getting a pension, do have a problem with the timeframe in which they can ‘earn’ some remuneration for life. That’s the rub. Also, they should be made wait until they are 68 (like everyone now) to claim these pensions instead of receiving them straight away. Another injustice IMHO.

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  • Under current financial conditions and the plight of others this is an obscenity. It only goes to show what contempt they hold for the average person because not one of them will say no thanks we don’t deserve it.

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    • See they make the rules of the game, and obviously they make those rules to benefit themselves most. This is not about serving the country, nation or any of that boll** this is about themselves and their entitlements, Anyone who agrees with them just wants a piece of the action, a slice of the pie.
      Is it the norm in any other industry in this country for someone to get a massive pension after 2 years work…until they die. Anyone who doesn’t have a problem with this is a bloody idiot.

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  • Bloody hell. It’s like being on winning streak. They’re only short of getting a couple of cars and a holiday thrown in!

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  • They set a target for Themselves in the first two years of exiting the bailout, currently clapping themselves for a great job done.
    They are now setting Themselves a new target, distressed mortgages.
    Isn’t that a great job, allowing yourself to demote things like unemployment and poverty and crime to secondary status.
    These issues are much more important to the vast majority of citizens but they pay lip service to finding solutions.
    They will get their pot of gold because they are unaccountable between elections and this lot will be just like the last lot and dozens of them will retire with the loot.
    A Republic that has failed spectacularly.
    A disgrace of a place.

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  • I should have 5 pensions already so! And I’m only 35! The government talks about cut backs, cut this 2 year pension crap back! Where else would you get a pension after 2 years work! Most companies would sack your sorry arse so they don’t have to pay you redundancy!!

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  • my husband is in the same job for 6 years. Plans afoot to make everyone redundant. 2 weeks pay per year of service and an extra week to send him on his way! 15k doesn’t come close . We aren’t the first and won’t be the last.

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  • One rule for the little people, another for our lords and masters. Piggies at the trough.

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  • Absolute disgrace ! They get huge pensions for doing the exact opposite of what they were voted into office for !

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  • Jason 09/03/13 #

    At last some good news… They’re all fab. If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t know how lucky we are and how easy it is to pay the property tax oh and how we should all just get on with things. They deserve it you know. I mean come on, Inda even had a five point plan. That’s A plan with FIVE points. You have to admit a fella with a plan containing five points must deserve a taoiseachs pension after two years. Varadkar, the minister for offering opinions on other ministers business also deserves his pension cos he’s hanging in there. Minister for nest feathering James Reilly deserves his for having the neck to just not care what the public thinks of his stroke politics and hanging on in there. Minister of I know better than everyone else Michael Noonan just knows better than everyone else and deserves his for bothering to tell us what’s happening with the country’s finances every now and then. Minister Joan Brutal deserves her for protecting … Em protecting em she just deserves it because she’s in labour and they are normal like us…. It’s a pity that they have to wait til they retire to get their pension :( oh hang on they don’t….

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  • B*stards

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  • Liam 09/03/13 #

    They may be entitled to receive these pensions yet not one of them deserve them, in any other job they would be fired for how poorly they have done so far.

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  • You know what The problem in this country is that -
    There is no leader of the Common People – no one to stand behind – politicians are all held in contempt-and rightly so- but there is no leader no charismatic person to stand behind to join up the ordinary people until that person comes Ireland will not change
    It’s like waiting for the second coming- who is this person don’t know- union leader , buisness man, ordinary person thrust forward – until that person comes forward there will be no change- the new Michael Collins of Ireland come forward – please

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  • So how exactly would the public go about changing these entitlements? Let me guess you need to become a TD? Vote for me and I promise to nah just kidding im off to Miami for Paddys weekend.

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  • Criminal !

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  • There should be no civil servants working in this country earning a salary of over €100k and certainly no retired civil servants with over €100k pensions.
    Also they shouldn’t receive these pensions until they same age as us joe soaps receive the state pension.

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  • Headline should read – 2 years of ineptitude & stratospheric U turns on every election promise delivers gold for privileged minority.

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  • That’s wrong on so many levels. How can this be justified and how can we afford this as a country?

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  • Choo choo…. The gravy train will be leaving kildare street station at 12pm…. All aboard

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  • A scandalous disgrace when you consider the crap pensions Joe Public get and the years they have to work for them.

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  • @ Rodrigo
    Have you not heard about state cars and Paddy’s day junkets?

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  • Wankstains the whole lot of them…

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  • Maybe someone can answer me this question.. When you have more than one state pension, do you draw down the full amount on all of these pensions or is there an abatement on the smaller of the pensions. Genuine question and the answer is important.

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  • Disgusting… And then they don’t even want to pay the frontliners a decent wage for the difficult jobs they do… The hypocricy of it all, it can’t get any more corrupt.

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  • Considering the fact that only half of Irish people have no pension plan in place and a 45 year old would have to save €285 pm to age 68 to receive a pension of €8000 (to top up the State pension) http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0925/1224324354636.html this is just another kick in the groin to the Irish people. Kenny can also claim the old age pension so at age 65 he will be coming out with €49,000 before tax. Meanwhile half of his fellow pensioners will be on €12,000 after 40 work, assuming that the even were able to get a job in the first place.

    In Spain, Portugal and Greece they go mental on the streets. In Ireland we vote in the same shower of shites because we basically have no alternative. I don’t vote along party lines and try to pick the best person for the job, yet the majority of people vote along party lines like sheep. What’s the alternative? God only knows because I don’t. There are times when I feel like like exploding and storming into my local TD’s office down the road from me but what good would that do?

    Next election there is a big X going on my paper to tell the whole lot of them that none of them are fit for purpose.

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    • I agree I’m going to spoil my vote. System needs drastic change.

      If they got 200k spoilt votes somebody might notice we think they are cowboys

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    • How about no one voting at all?

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    • I agree Tom. the problem is that the party faithful will still go out and vote so even if 95% of the electorate stayed away we would still have a Government. The politicians have been very cute in dividing the public into a “them and us” situation where everyone is scrabbling to protect their own interests and sod everyone else. If people spend all their time thinking of their own day to day worries then they won’t have time to think about how to change things.

      We could march but who would listen? To be honest if I was a TD in the Dail and 100,000 were marching down O’Connell St I wouldn’t give a shit. Let them march all they want, I’d trundle out the usual cliches and platitudes and then head off for a few drinks in the Dail bar. Hand in all the letters they want, wave all the placards they want, even throw the odd egg or two (” this attack is an affront to democracy”) would I care? Not a hope! A few years in the Dail and I’m out with a lump sum and a pension for life, sorted!

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    • Spot on Brian.

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  • Ignore david he’s one of them…. he’ll be hoping for one of these pensions some day.
    In all honesty david to you think its right to get a 15k pension after 2yrs in a job.

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  • Come on now, be reasonable. 2 years work for a massive pension is reasonable.

    The Ministers have a stressful job to do presiding over the impending mass repossessions and having to stick the boot in for the Troika.

    Now that they have clocked up the entitlement to pensions, they have to make sure that the property tax and austerity measures ensures that there is enough money available to pay their munificent pensions.

    The Bankers are coming back again shortly to feed off us for a second time.

    Blood sucking leeches are mild by comparison.

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  • They are like thieves in the night, hit us when we are at our most weakness they have no morals. to hell with the lot of them hope fully

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  • It was at this point in the last gov. That the greens and ff started swapping jobs so more of them would become eligible for big pensions. Lets see how many chairs are swapped in this gov in the coming weeks.

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  • Can’t wait to see noonan looking like the pig from animal farm and grunting as he tells us that “we have no money”
    And the rest of the paracitical leeches sneering at us as kennys 5 point plan turns into a 5 point pension.
    Well there you have it people,bring your kids up to be liars,cheats,greedy pigs and show them how to have no regard for anybody.
    They will get on grand.

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  • Interested to know what people think their public representative is worth in terms of ‘looking after’ them. I recognise the need for a government but have never asked my TD to do anything for me and then……what about the value of our European MPs? How many people know who their European elected representative is?!

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  • It must feel like they win the lotto once a year for the rest of their lives . Happy Minister Day !!!!

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  • I ve worked for the last 28 years and if i retired tomorrow id be lucky enough to be entitled to a 2500 euro a year pension, just another 17 years to go….its great isnt it….and yes RTE are an extension of the govt.

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  • We as a nation will never ever mass protest at government. Unlike the Greeks and Spanish the average joe here is scared shitless of the government.

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  • Gilmore said put on the green jersey he did not say he was putting on the one that was full of Euros the swine hund

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  • “Mission accomplished lads! ….now what were we supposed to be doing?”

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  • Mary 09/03/13 #

    If we get angry Europe won’t think we are such good subjects anymore. The headmaster wants the inspectors to tell him he is doing a great job regardless of how we are actually doing! Feels like school again …

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  • I would imagine that our Government is delighted with its people. We don’t take to the streets. Instead most suffer in silence while the rest moan to radio shows etc. someone said to me “what’s the point! Protesting won’t change anything”. I told him, that’s what they want, everyone to be compliant and servile just like you….. We are playing right into their hands.

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  • Did I read this right kenny is to resign………………………. Wishfull thinking

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  • It’s a disgrace that they can recieve a full pension for only two years of ineptitude.

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  • KMart 09/03/13 #

    I wonder if our EU/IMF overlords approved this??

    Feudal system alive and well in Ireland.

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  • Where do I sign up to one of those jobs.

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  • Are those figures not missing another zero?

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  • Just say you start off working for the Government as a school teacher you then get into politics and get elected a TD and eventually bag a job as a minister and after a period of 2/5 years you will be entitled for a pension for life.
    Now take a normal public/private sector worker who starts off at the bottom and works his/her way to the top working for the same employer, They don’t get a separate pension for each job/title they held during their working career and they DONT get a pension for life after a few years in a job.
    What makes these shower of f**ks any different to the ordinary worker who pays into a pension scheme till they retire, They go on about serving the public bla bla and the hard job they have what a load of nonsense.
    Myself like many who have private pensions have seen the funds been decimated, And yet that rotund horrible little man noonan decided to raid what is left of peoples pensions for the job bridge scam.
    And remember it was FF&hannifan who upped the retirement age to 68 before f**king off with there pensions aged just over 50.
    The likes of inda and co are institutionalised they don’t know what it is like in the real world to actually work and balance the books regarding mortgage payments car tax kids clothing etc.

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  • And that’s all their there for

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  • Ryan'O 09/03/13 #

    Opinion poll

    Do you think the government are deserved of a pension…..not entitled to….deserved?

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  • Farcical! A two bit, banana republic with a population of 4.5m. What’s the population of London, Birmingham, Greater Manchester………………

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  • “Time for another mass” :)

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  • Everyone keeps saying that the people should take to the streets and protest about the actions of the government… Really will it change anything? If they wont adhere to the results of democratic votes by the people will they really listen to thousands of people marching through the rain protesting? Will it really change what they are doing to the irish people? And when the next election comes will voting any other party change things? They’re all as bad as each other…. NO govt minister should be paid more than 50k a year unless they are bringing real results to the table, and by that i mean results for the people, not european banks, committees or whoever else the govt are out to please. Am losing faith that there will ever be an end to the misery thats being inflicted on the irish people in recent times…

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    • goverment hack on here .

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    • Eh dermot… By your comment you mean ?????? I expressed disillusionment and genuine despair as to how things will ever be different even after protests given that the people dont seem to matter to them any more. Qualifying for large pensions and salaries and the rest of the rewards they keep giving themselves while people like myself lose our homes, cant pay bills etc is a moral disgrace, but really what alternative is there to improve and rectify the situation? Please give constructive comments rather than general ‘government hack’ statements which really just show ignorance towards others.

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    • Rosie got this one wrong sorry cannot be right all the time.

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  • im starting to think fair play to them. infact if I was in charge id up the amount received.. it’s not like the nation of Irish sheep we’re all part of will do anything….. they’re laughing their holes off at us everyday

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  • THERE’S ONE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO ALL POLITICAL PENSIONS AND THAT IS THAT THEY ARE, AND THEY WON’T TELL YOU THIS AT SCHOOL FOLKS, SUBJECT TO ARTICLE 9.3 OF THE IRISH CONSTITUTION! ………. It’s a humdinger – legally speaking of course !

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  • I have no problem with the concept of a pension based on years served. But calculate TD pensions in the same way as it is for general population ! EG calculate like a teaching pension …one over eighty of salary per year served !

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  • John 09/03/13 #

    Three days general strike is the only way to stop Kenny and Gilmore. Meet at Garden of remembrance Monday 16th March.

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  • So much for reform we cant afford to feed our children and yet they are entitled to this kind of money…tis a digrace and should be reformed

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  • George Orwell – Animal Farm

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  • Terrible considering ordinary civil servants have to work 40 years to get a pension, unless they leave due to illness.

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  • Sure that’s it lads take what you want give nothing back!

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  • *Insert standard “they’re only in it for the money” comment*

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  • Well earned pensions.

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