There is a reason for this,we won’t benefit from it.they already sold!! Same as our bogs. When it seems too good to be true it usually is and remember this is Ireland.

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WE, Aoife…you have a wee portfoilo of shares stashed then??

Offshore, eh..

Richard Boyd I’ve a loudspeaker stapled to my mouth Barrett. Never anything constructive or positive to say about anything. This is great news and should be welcomed.RBB won’t say this as it doesn’t fit with his Communist Ideals and his followers….

Jaysis..I’ve blundered into a shareholders meeting.

similar to Fianna Fail granting Shell a License without consulting the people first. Jan O’Sullivan is gone at the next election.

That was a response to Aoife.

In an ideal world Aoife we would cash in on this oil – but, in case you’ve missed the whole Corrib controversy, back in the 50s Ray Burke sold all our oil/gas rights away. We don’t receive any royalties from our own gas/oil, whatsmore all tax the oil company is charged can be written off – meaning we receive next to nothing – Again we instead have to buy back our own resources on the market at full international price – what this means is that, regardless whether the oil is coming from Ireland or anywhere else in the world, we will be charged the same price for it! I am 100% for utilising our own resources but Ireland is giving them away. Our constitution states that the natural resources belong to the people of Ireland, maybe the government need reminding of that – Time to speak up Ireland – look at our current gains from these natural resources – it’s not like we actually have anything to lose by demanding that we actually benefit from our own resources!!

Poppycock, Poppysmith. Ray Burke couldn’t have sold our oil & gas when he was 12 years old. His daddy wouldn’t have let him.

@ William Grogan he was very advanced for his years :)!! No idea how I came up with that date – think it was 87 the laws were changed – he removed all royalties and reduced the state’s share from 50 – 0 % – no doubt he received a nice brown envelope for his troubles!

all the staff are too be choppered in from Dublin Airport, the oil is going to be processed in Scotland. Dalkey will have no benefits from this.

Negotiated?

Dont be silly. Its the totalitarian dictatorship of the corporatariat we are dealing with. See the wiki revelations on Shell’s ownership of Nigeria’s parliamentarians.

Why do you think Assange is Public Enemy Numero Uno. but shh…pretend you don’t know.

Damien, the last time I looked corporations didn’t have a vote in Irish elections. You’re just a conspiracy nutter.

Yes, William, sorry. I’ll go away now.

Conspiracy died with the Dodo, right, William?

Damien, anyone who writes “totalitarian dictatorship of the corporatariat” is either taking the P1ss or is a fan of Jim Corr. Did man land on the Moon? Do the Jews run the world?

Tellya what William…you show me your theory on who runs the (conspiracy-free) world…and I’ll elaborate on my phrase for your edification.

Deal?

@William. It is not an easy thing to realise but you dont have to go into conspiracy resources to know that corporatocracy is alive and well and lobbyist exist. You only have to scratch the mainstream media. Backhanders exist. It doesn’t mean the end of the world and you dont have to deviate completely off course from your roadmap of how the world works. I dont understand why some inconvenient truths are such a threat to people’s ego’s. Its like “no way are people controlling my life and environment, it couldnt be. RRGGGG” Dont dismiss realities for comfortability. On the same token I wouldn’t listen to Jim Corr either. he would have you believe that you are totally powerless and there is no point even trying.

Damien & Robert. We know how the world is run.

There is no secret cabal behind everything. That was just made up by the same people who claim we didn’t land on the Moon, there are alien bodies in Roswell, the Holocaust didn’t happen, AIDS isn’t caused by the HIV virus and of course MMR causes Autism and Big Pharma is trying to hide the fact. Big Oil has bought up the patents on car engines that run on water, Doctors have a scam going in cancer cures that poison people, and Homeopathy works but because it can’t be patented Big Pharma (again) suppresses evidence it works. Throw in the Incas had spaceships, the President of the US is a lizard, there’s a government conspiracy to get rid of Fluoride waste by putting it in drinking water and poisoning us, The Polio Vaccine is a secret pill to sterilise Muslim women in Nigeria and the CIA blew up the Twin Towers in which there were no Jews because they had been warned. There are thousands of these nonsensical conspiracy theories and the people who support them are bordering on or may mental illnesses. I saw an interview with Jim Corr recently and it was sad. He’s obviously not well. I actually knew a poor soul in Dublin who thought the CIA were trying to poison him. Can I suggest you read some books that challenge this nonsense and you might be able to pull through, e.g. Counterknowledge? Try and get a scientific grasp on reality by reading science periodicals (New Scientist) and that might help as well.

Ta, William
Thats your theory on who does NOT run the world..not quite what I requested.
FYI, I’ve been a regular reader of New Scientist for over forty years(and Scientific American and a few others, not least the writings of the bould Albert himself)and am not prey to conspiracy theories. That said, the scientific method does not stipulate the dismissal of theorising, but rather the recognition that theory and theorising are stepping-stone approximations on the heuristic path to refining scientific information for creating further theory to advance the path towards unachievable absolute truth(if that is problematic, let me know).
Back at the conspiracy, mine referred to the capture of governance by corporate power through lobbyists and bribery and if you look at the history of, say Latin America or Africa(my exampole being Nigeria and Shell, I could equally have referred you to South Africa, a country I lived in for several years under apartheid, and its mining industry, or the Cheyney/Bush neo-con stealth coup funded by Halliburton/Bechtel and the industrial/military complex Eisenhower(hardy a speculating fantasist) warned about back in the late fifties)the examples are glaringly obvious.
Methinks, its yourself is failing in the application of applied objectivity and is jumping to unsustainable conclusions, not least about my inclinations to superstitious scientism and paraoid delusional phantomising.

Damien, you certainly can come up with a seriously pretentious phrase. I thought “the totalitarian dictatorship of the corporatariat” and “our capitalist/landlord tax-exile dictators…and their international puppeters” was a bit much but “but rather the recognition that theory and theorising are stepping-stone approximations on the heuristic path to refining scientific information for creating further theory to advance the path towards unachievable absolute truth” takes the biscuit for BS.

This sentence clearly marks you out as a conspiracy nut, “Why do you think Assange is Public Enemy Numero Uno. but shh…pretend you don’t know”.

To jump from lobbying which is carried out by EVERY vested interest including the trade unions, through the odd bribe to an elected official, to the idea that the world is run, not by elected officials but by corporations is farcical. I don’t have to prove that it isn’t, if you have any grasp of the Scientific Method you have to prove the conspiracy. But of course it’s a secret conspiracy and we’re all fooled by the right wing media. The funny thing is, the right wing claim the media is left wing.

Yes William, and I have as much access to Enda Kenny as Denis O’Brien, and had to CJH as Ben Dunne, and can get on RTE as handy as Dermot Desmond to pontificate about whats wrong with the country even though they are tax-exiles or have creative acountants lobbying to ensure legislation is market-friendly. And the famine was caused by blight, not the export vast quantities of food by Britannia and her landlords.
Are you aware that of the 100 largest economies on the planet more than fifty of them are corporate entities?
You obviously believe Machiavelli wrote his handbook as a work of childrens fiction. I guess the status quo just suits your personal agenda too much for you to want to even question it, so instead of responding to the content of my statements you attempt lapidary abuse.
If you find my response to your popular science pretensions with New Scientist troublesome allow me suggest you don’t ever try and read Carl Popper, you might get a bity bogged in the terminology of science(though, come to think of it, NS regularly uses the terminology I employed).
Keep shifting the goalposts. I suppose you think we got a change of government rather than a change of shirt with the last election.

Damien, not a lot of solid info there, just more waffle. Dermot Desmond is entitled to live wherever he likes, it’s called freedom. Maybe you want a return to Stalinist Russia where you didn’t have that freedom, could get shot in the back of the neck for what we are doing (debating) and certainly couldn’t live wherever you liked. I might add that during the entire Communist reign in Russian and China almost nothing was invented and no progress was made, under than how to kill vast numbers of people. The Communists stole the plans from the “corporate” west for everything from nuclear weapons to computers.

You can pop into your local TDs office on any night he or she is on duty. You are free to write to the papers and also start your own political party. No doubt when you lay out the evidence that Ireland is not run by its elected representatives but Intel, Microsoft and Tesco everyone will vote for you.

The famine occurred in colonial times, not relevant to Ireland today. It was caused by a mixture of overpopulation, overdependence on one crop, the blight and having the country run by imperialists. It wasn’t caused by businesses.

Using unnecessary terminology to impress is the last refuge of someone who knows nothing but can copy & paste.

I’m still waiting for evidence of this New World Order conspiracy that only exists in your and Jim Corr’s imagination. [Read here if anyone needs further info: http://tinyurl.com/8sc66av

Progress as in Progressive Democ-rats.

Its an outrage how We let this continue. We, the Irish taxpayers, are to blame for letting it happen. If we want change, then we must educate ourselves first. In a democratic society, People are incharge, not elected servants-(government).

Have you a Oil rig that we could use ? drilling & refinery facilities & cash to cover the other capital costs, & how do we pay for free health care for all when the oil runs out ?

Do you have any idea if the money it takes to extract oil? You don’t just stick in a pipe and suck it out!

McBab. You do in lala land where these people live.

Why not? Daniel Day-Lewis did, in There will be blood. I saw it with my own eyes.

“They think they own Dublin Bay” Would ya get a grip. Some group needs to put pressure on Providence to keep them in line. If it’s the Dalkey group, fair play to them taking up the challenge.

Fair play to them; if its an awakeing to what other communities from the Niger delta through Shellmullet to Cape Hope in Alaska are putting up with..

..but if its just the usual NIM(Gentrified)BY solidarity of the truffle-trough snout-snots…stick that fork in their collective arse and turn them over..they’re well done.

cop on wild rover,,, they will find oil and will sell it to the cheapeast bidder… like corrib,,,,these are our natural resourses and should not be sold,,, watch this space

Money talks folks. It’s always the corporation big dicks will cash in at the end of the day. Look around the world (and at Corrib).
But look on the bright side – President Michael Twee can declare himself a sheikh.

Vincent Browns old house has a big garden !..

Mick K, no we didn’t. It’s very important not to believe everything you read, especially if there’s no evidence. The department aren’t complete fools. Oil companies have the finance and the expertise. We need them and they need us. I hope it’ll be a very long term and mutually beneficial business relationship.

Really William? You have a lot of faith “The department”. Reading your words I feel like I’m stuck in a time warp back to the worst days of the celtic tiger property bubble. In a few years I am sure you’ll be one of those claiming “but nobody told us anything could go wrong”.

Censored. We’ve been drilling oil wells for a long time now. What do you think will go wrong? Will we release the Cookie Monster? Every human activity carries risk. Even staying in bed.

We’ve been drilling ..

Have we?Tell it to the Ogoni.

Is it as “safe as houses” William?

and how many emigrant salaries do the golden circle-jerkers consume every year??Wake up and smell the burning arse of the coffee-pot.
Its not the RBB barons you need to hang..its the bean robber barons.

Slow learner eh? If there were job openings for concentration camp guards, you’d be complaining that RBB is opposed. Right?

Calm your fears..many of us objectors want more change than you might just like.

Maybe its a differnt set of fears you should trade them in for. Fear of the end of the Golden Circle Jerks is on some of our menus…used to be known as democracy in the old days; before the dictatorship of the the coporatariat hijacked it..

Well said Damien. The days of “light touch” regulation in this cowboy town have to be over.

Unfortuantely not. The law is is for keeping the Pat O’Donnells locked down.

its not us who is exploiting it. its a private company.

Yep, our capitalist/landlord tax-exile dictators…and their international puppeters.

We have to cop on to ourselves here. Ray Burke spent time in the can for corrupt practices, so to my mind this means any legislation or agreements he signed on behalf of this country,become null and void. If there’s oil and gas wealth within our territorial waters, then it’s up to the Irish people to decide how we get the best deal possible for it.

It was never given,there is always a large payment made to a minister or his wife.Our government are bent.

Dale, and your evidence for this amazing accusation is?