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Column: Hollande wants to re-negotiate the treaty – but what does that mean for Ireland?

François Hollande has made it clear he is not a fan of the fiscal compact or the stability treaty, writes Eoin O’Malley. Now he seems to be encouraging the Irish to vote No.

Eoin O'Malley

FRANÇOIS HOLLANDE HAD made it clear in campaigning for the French presidency that he was no fan of the Fiscal Compact and indicated that he would be against French ratification of the Treaty. Now that his election looks more than likely he has again stated his opposition to the Treaty. In Thursday’s Irish Times he is reported as saying:

“There will be a renegotiation. Will the Treaty be changed? I hope so. Or another Treaty arranged? That is up for negotiation. But the Treaty, as is, will not be ratified.”

Now obviously French ratification of the Treaty doesn’t matter in a legal sense – it can still go ahead. But politically we know it is unlikely that France and Germany, the two biggest economies in the Eurozone, would allow it be enforced if both were not signed up.

This takes us to the wording of the Irish Bill on the change to the constitution currently going through the Oireachtas. It indicates that the likely addition to the constitution will take a form of words such as this:

“The State may ratify the Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union done at Brussels on the 2nd day of March 2012. No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State that are necessitated by the obligations of the State under that Treaty or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by bodies competent under that Treaty from having the force of law in the State.’

This is to be inserted as Art. 29.4.10°. Now Hollande may change his mind once elected (it’d hardly be the first time a politician changes his mind once in office) and if the Irish vote yes, this won’t be a problem.

Will there be a new Treaty?

But if there is a renegotiation, then the Irish vote will irrelevant – the Treaty agreed on 2 March won’t be the one we will then want to ratify. We cannot change the words to accede to a Treaty that is to be negotiated at a future date. We could just put in a wording that says that no Irish government will be allowed to run a long-term structural deficit (although it wouldn’t be pretty to watch the Supreme Court trying to agree a definition of what that might be). This would have us insert in our constitution the main provision of the Treaty and what the Germans really want us to do. An alternative might be to postpone the referendum and wait until after the summer, though this might renew the sense of crisis in the Eurozone, with Ireland at the centre of the crisis.

An obvious compromise, and one that they seem to be working towards, is to have a new Treaty, a so-called ‘Growth Compact’ referred to by Mario Draghi on Wednesday. This could allow the Fiscal Compact Treaty remain unchanged in return for German acceptance that Europe needs to put more emphasis on growth (what this Treaty might look like is unclear).

Regardless of what eventually happens Hollande’s intervention could be seized on by No campaigners as a way to increase uncertainty – the Yes side is banking on the certainty the Treaty might give as its way of framing the campaign. Just look at how it’s effectively renamed the Fiscal Compact the ‘Stability Treaty’. Hollande seems to be encouraging the Irish to vote no. It could be the sort of insurance policy potential Irish no voters want, that is, if we were to vote no, we’d have a big country with us and so would not be isolated.

Eoin O’Malley is a lecturer in Irish politics at the School of Law and Government, Dublin City University.  He can be found on Twitter @AnMailleach.

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Comments (24 Comments)

  • Intriguing this news, albeit it is not in fact news. Mr Hollande has been muting le desire to re negotiate this treaty for quite some time and yet we have various Ministers telling us he has Mr Hollande has little intention of re negotiating the treaty. Of course our ministers are quite used to not giving us the facts and could not believe for one minute their ear tickling current French president and best freind would loose the French election. Hmmmm, could it be the French electorate are sick and tired of this austerity nonsense. One big question now remains, what happens if we yet again vote for a treaty that will inevitably be changed? More poster and literature expense I presume, to start.

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    • Indeed, whether they thought should vote Yes or vote No, a lot of commentators were saying back when the referendum date was announced that it was pointless to set it for such an early date when things like the Hollande issue wouldn’t yet be resolved.

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  • From Mario Draghi (ECB) this just sounds like a PR rehash of the current ‘Growth thru’ Austerity’ oxymoron. (Merkel is still backing austerity regardless.) In other words, when the policy has so obviously failed (even in its own terms of reducing deficits), carry on, but give it a different title & shuffle some of the words around.

    But I agree with Eoin, Hollande’s position gives greater weight to the benefits of voting NO. Clearly those us against the treaty, both in its substance & relevance to the real problems of the Eurozone, should have allies in France if Hollande wins.

    Lets get the problems properly addressed – vote NO.

    And if NO wins, we should call on the Irish government to resign & give us the opportunity to vote in some politicians who actually represent the interests of the majority of citizens.

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    • And The Netherlands Government collapsed a few days ago, and it looks like the Labour party will win that and they’re against the Fiscal Compact.
      Spain had her credit rating reduced during the week.
      And with Mr Hollande looking confindent of victory in France,

      I think it would be a huge mistake to say yes when Europe could be a totally different situation by theis time next week.

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    • And where are you going to get politicians capable of representing us properly. Where would they come from??

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    • @ Christopher

      That is a good question when, as we see, all the mainstream political leaders are clearly not representing us, rather the top few percent & their own enrichment.

      But the answer is not ‘where’, but by what process?

      The political leaders we need will only emerge when the electorate educates & informs themselves of the true reality, and rejects the false ‘no alternative’ mantra peddled by incumbents & mainstream media alike.

      Every journey, however long, starts with the first step.

      In terms of proposing a process of citizen led democratic & constitutional reform, the ordinary citizens of 2nd Republic have done an excelent job.

      http://www.2nd-republic.ie/site/

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  • “There will be a renegotiation. Will the Treaty be changed? I hope so. Or another Treaty arranged? That is up for negotiation. But the Treaty, as is, will not be ratified.”

    Given this comment, I’d imagine a separate Growth Treaty, as suggested by Mario Draghi, may be the way forward – probably with a protocol added to the existing Treaty emphasising the need for policies to encourage growth. So we may yet have another referendum next year.

    Hollande has never actually met Merkel, so he seems very optimistic if he thinks his election will suddenly change her policies. She’s the one with the large chequebook bailing out most of Europe. Likewise her preprocessors in Germany made large (yet electorally painful) reforms in the early 2000s to ensure German competitiveness – which has placed them in such a strong position and led to their low unemployment rate. I can’t see Hollande magically changing her view overnight.

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  • I will vote NO.

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  • Now I’m totally confused, and I’m guessing I’ve a few million with me.

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  • The Fiscal Compact requires signatory countries to introduce a national requirement to have national budgets that are in balance or in surplus. This is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Western Europe including the Republic of Ireland are amongst the wealthiest countries in the world. Of course, we can meet this rule. In order to enforce this rule across the board, the European Court of Justice can fine a country up to 0.1 % of GDP if it has not incorporated such a budget rule into its binding law or constitution within a year of ratification of the compact.

    In the Irish context, this fiscal compact will act as a deterrent against gombeen happy-spend politicians (read Fianna Fail) who will make spend spend spend promises in advance of general elections. In the Irish context, the fiscal compact will force governments to focus on getting bang for the buck/euro for the money they spend and scale back on expenditure that simply isn’t necessary (such as 100 million euro a year earmarked for private schools).

    Vote Yes.

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  • Mike 2nd Republic looks interesting. Can you follow me on Twitter?

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  • It worries me that this man has signed up for this and now basically, wants out. Is he not seeing the return from the promises made? Are the stringent measures in the deal simply too much to upkeep? Of course it is everyones right to make their own minds up. But this is a serious spanner in the works for the “vote yes” campaign surely.

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    • The ‘stability’ fiscal treaty, quite simply will not and can not work.

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    • Hollande didn’t sign up for it. Sarkozy did.

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    • Fagan's 28/04/12 #

      Don’t forget that the Dutch, the Czechs and Swedish, Spanish are all now opposed to this treaty as well.

      Even if it is voted on, it will not be put in to practice. The opposition to it is too strong.

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    • Fagan's 28/04/12 #

      Stephen. The Spanish signed up and they have just decided to ignore the terms. If they apply them, they know that their economy will be blown clear out of the water.

      I think it is the reason that the likes of Karl Whelan are voting yes, they do admit that it is not economically sound, but it is a political consideration. They know that, it will never be implemented, and once Merkel’s election/re-election is over, that it will be scrapped, like countless other EU plans.

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  • The Irish Eurosceptics of Sinn Fein, the United Left Alliance and a large segment of Fianna Fail are always complaining that the European Union is taking sovereignty away from us. No doubt, they’ll cite the new powers granted to the European Court of Justice by the Fiscal Treaty to fine a country that doesn’t incorporate the new budget rule into their binding law or constitution. Yet, these same people are also complaining how Germany and France were the first to flout the 3% budget deficit rule in the 1990s. By giving the European Court of Justice the power to levy a considerable fine on an offending party, all countries can be brought into line simultaneously and without prejudice.

    As far as the Eurosceptics are concerned, it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t.They’ll whinge, come what may.

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    • The problem, Paul, is not the rules, it is forcing the rules on countries whose economies/finances are on life support. Going to the gym is a good idea, but you don’t tell a patient on deaths door to go to the gym or else they’ll be punished, or in the case of the austerity treaty, blackmail them to get out of their bed and go to the gym or else you’ll withdraw treatment from them, do you?

      Incidentally, the treaty does nothing to cure the cause of Irelands woes in the first place, a lack of banking regulation at home and across europe.

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    • Fagan's 28/04/12 #

      This treaty would have made sense 10 years ago *. It might make sense in 10 years time but right now it risks blowing the economy of Europe apart.

      If this treaty is passed, there will be massive international pressure brought to bear on the countries of Europe not to implement it vigorously. There is no way that America, China and Japan are going to let this electoral stunt treaty bring them down as well.

      * Though that would not have suited German and French economic needs.

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    • Fagan's 28/04/12 #

      One important caveat Paul,is that punishment has to be agreed as well by the EU. So any decision can be over ridden.

      From past experience we can all see the larger countries being absolved of any punishment.

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    • Fagan’s: Not so. The trigger for the 0.1% fine is clear and unambiguous. If after one year of ratification of the fiscal treaty, a state has not put in place the new budgetary rules as agreed on March 2nd and an automatic correction mechanism at Constitutional or equivalent level, the European Court of Justice is authorized without fear or favour to impose a fine on that state the equivalent of 0.1% of that state’s GDP.

      There is no scope for nod nod wink wink.

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  • In my experience politicians will say anything to get elected…

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