U can bet your last Euro that everything that’s said publicly has been passed & approved, Amy. Nothing is “off the cuff”. If a “clanger” is thrown, it is thrown for a reason, I suspect.

I guess he’s a member of the cabinet and therefore is privy to most of the negotiations at the cabinet table. The reason he’s always in the news though is because he wants to be. He intentionally says somewhat controversial things to get his ugly mug in the newspapers. He once abused Brian Cowen in the Dail by comparing him to Garrett Fizgerald – the ex-leader of his own party! Basically, he’s a douche-bag.

What ? Leo V keep his gob shut ??!!! Good one.

He doesn’t know how to shut up

I suspect they will do everything they can to push this through without a referendum. That would be too democratic for our new overlords.
Can the state cede sovereignty without a referendum in a Republic? I think not.

We damn them when they speak candidly and we damn them when they don’t. Sure they’ve no chance!

Nope Mark, the EU exists purely because of it’s anti-democratic base

We are now a banama republic as it is..
So whats the problem giving the eu more power? We are relying on the americans to call to account our bankers, the imf to sort out the legal, medical and other protected sectors.
Maybe the eu will sort out the politicians?

How many of you patriotic geniuses voted YES in the Lisbon Treaty I wonder

No. Both times.

I can’t see how any of you think that us ceding power to an undemocratic superstate controlled by the two most powerful states is a good idea. Especially when those states have proven time and time again that they put their interests over that of states on “the periphery”. Europe is rotten to the core, controlled by the financial elite. The transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top will be accelerated now that we are part of the United States of Europe but i suppose once little Ireland has a hand to feed it. The attitude of people in this country really begars belief sometimes.

“Will German, French or Dutch inscribe the epitaph of Emmet?
When we have sold enough of Ireland to be but strangers in it.
For What Died the Sons of Róisín, was it greed?”

-Luke Kelly, 1970.

Where is the one man EU propaganda machine Gary Clowry today? Gary “SHOW ME PROOF, SHOW ME THE BASIS OF YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT WE ARE BECOMING A FEDERAL STATE” Clowry, TheJournals number one EU fan!

Give me strength!

On a lighter note Magic you were right. Linda Martin stole the show.

Johnny Logan will always be the one for me. I can hear Enda Kenny on his hands and knees now singing to his EU overlords….”Hold me now, don’t cry, don’t say a word nowww. Well always be together, forever and everrrr, what do we say when our words are not enoughhhhhhhhhhh…hhhhhhhhhh”

Great to see so much anti EU sentiments in the country recently, the sheep are finally waking up!!

Ah magic my man. You see we are all entitled to our opinion, you are, I am and Leo Varadkar is. So what we have here is his opinion, no facts. It’s also an opinion which may well be taken out of context based on the the entirety of what he said. I have no idea though as I didn’t hear the interview.
One thing is for sure if any proposal is put forward by the EU that effects our sovereignty we will be having a referendum. And I shall read what is in it and then decide what way to vote. What I won’t be doing is judging the proposal based on one quote from Leo Varadkar because that would be stupid.

Ah my migraine has returned. Hello Gary :)

Quotes from The European Unions number one fan, the one man Propaganda Machine..Gary Clowry:

“those who believe there is a federalist Europe now against all the evidence to the contrary, including the constitutional court judgement in Germany are possibly conspiracy theorists.”

“When someone shouts about the President of the EU when no such role exists”

“And the epic stupidity of it all you are calling for us to vote no to a future treaty which might well be in our interests”

Give me strength!

Thanks for posting my quotes. Is there something factually incorrect about them? Something can you’ll be able to prove, rather than just post your opinion again.

@Gary Same old answer, answering in riddle…its like listening to Mini Me Sarcozy for the millionth time ))

“Those who believe there is a federalist Europe now against all the evidence to the contrary, including the constitutional court judgement in Germany are possibly conspiracy theorists.” Gary Clowry

So might Leo Varadkar be a conspiracy theorist also Gary?

Gary, stop…I am actually embarrassed for you

And what I said is still factually correct. You seem to have trouble with the difference between opinion and provable fact.

FACT: (fkt) 1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed:

Leo Varadkar: “We are effectively a federation now”. It is his opinion, he said that…it is a FACT Gary.

Gary Clowry: “Those who believe there is a federalist Europe now against all the evidence to the contrary, including the constitutional court judgement in Germany are possibly conspiracy theorists.”…that is your opinion, you did say that…it is a FACT

You have never actually answered anybody’s questions here Gary, you side step each question because you are only capable of reading from your propaganda sheets and Political sound-bites. So Ill ask you once again, do you also believe Leo Varadkar is a Conspiracy Theorist?

I’ll help you out here, this is what the German constitutional court said
“It held that the Lisbon Treaty does not transform the EU into a federal state and such a transformation would have been contrary to domestic German law. It also held that the Lisbon Treaty does create an EU citizenship to supersede a national one, and does not oblige member states to provide troops for a European army. In essence, the Constitutional Court finds that the member States of the EU wield the political power.”
http://eulaw.typepad.com/eulawblog/2009/07/german-constitutional-court-and-lisbon-treaty-ratification.html
http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/pressemitteilungen/bvg09-072en.html

So do I accept the word the of these constitutional experts or some random bloke on the internet with an agenda?
See facts can be fun.

:) Ill try asking him again. Gary do you also believe Leo Varadkar is a Conspiracy Theorist?

Oh and Magic it may well be a fact that ole Leo said those words but they are his *opinion*. It’s pretty simple.

LEO VARADKAR: “We are effectively a federation now”.

GARY CLOWRY: “Those who believe there is a federalist Europe now against all the evidence to the contrary, including the constitutional court judgement in Germany are possibly CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.”

:) This is quite embarrassing but Ill try asking him again. Gary do you also believe Leo Varadkar is also possibly a Conspiracy Theorist?

I would doubt he’s a conspiracy theorist. You might notice where I used the word *possibly*, you seem to have trouble with comprehension. I’ve just shown you how constitutional experts think your *opinion* is wrong. It also shows that a federalist EU would be contrary to German law. I’m off back to my life. Though if you ever manage to find proof for anything you say let me know.

Gary are you sure I am the one with the comprehension problem? Me:” Leo Varadkar is also “possibly” a Conspiracy Theorist? :)

Gary Clowry: “I would doubt he’s a conspiracy theorist” So, anybody else who shares Leo Varadkars opinion is “possibly” a conspiracy theorist, but you doubt Leo is one.

Thank you for clearing that up Gary :):):)

Indeed he was.
http://www.jimcorr.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89:the-end-of-the-nation-states-of-europe&catid=39:lisbon&Itemid=77

Remember how all the sheep laughed and mocked Jim Corr???

Remember how all the sheep and media laughed and mocked those who voted NO in Lisbon?

We remember also

Yes and Declan Ganley…written off as crazy.
Although he does seem to have changed his stance on Europe now.

Still think ganley is crazy. Willing to be more lenient on corr perhaps.

Ganley is a Federalist

Why did you change your pic to a cute little lamb. I would have thought a wolf would be more appropriate.

Because I am wooly, warm, cute, sensitive, shy and adorable xx

The sooner the better. It’s making me feel sick. Please Labour don’t let me down. Sick I tell you!

What hope does a “nation” with the population of only 5 million have in the “Federal States of Europe”?? Absolutely none. Our politicians and media have lied and deceived us for years over the real aims of the EU. All dissenting voices were shouted down, ridiculed and discredited, and now they have us were they want us. Unless the people of Ireland wake up and reject this totalitarianism through a referendum then we will become little more than servants of colonial masters, yet again.

actually he did that all by himself

u should know stephen,
being the expert at it urself.

Noticed that too. Neither did his hands move during the whole thing. They weren’t his words. He was reading from a script.

Surely its better that somebody in gubbermint comes out to tell us peasants what really happnin?
Never never never thought i’d see this day.

I agree with you totally. I think we should leave the Euro asap, give Merkosy the two fingers, then drop our Corporation Tax to 6% and BOOM!!!!

A trade agreement with China and we’re made!!!! 2% Corporation tax, maybe?

True, we would have a tough decade but in the long run we would be far better off. Look at Iceland, we have a hell of a lot more going for us than they do and they are getting themselves sorted pretty quickly. We do not need the EU or the Eurozone, perhaps just a common trading area

The one poster I am expecting in the next referendum is “VOTE YES FOR BETTER WEATHER” Sad thing is, the majority of Irish people probably would think they were promised better weather :(

They will lie again, as always….they know where their expenses and pensions are coming from

Probably a combination of both. Vote yes for european integration or else face economic ruin? Perhaps

I doubt they’ll be able to sell this without hiding the fact that this is a full surrender of sovereignty, all his bullshit about getting back our fiscal sovereignty by 2015 rings hollow now, just like all his other lies.

Schoen gemacht

The banana republic without the bananas. Big deal.

Better off learning Mandarin Chinese tbh

Seeing that britain has vetoed it. I would say that there now has to be a referendum.

If our government is handing over sovereignty to a foreign state or regime then it has by constitutional law be put to the people but it’s FG we’re dealing with, they’ll not let a simple thing like our democratic rights stand in the way of their plans.
No doubt they will wheel out some excuse that it’s not surrender and that Kenny is doing this in the national interest, anyway, if we do vote and vote it down can you trust these quislings to respect our decision?

Is that the latest lie that you are using about the EU? Just for the record, the phrase “member states” has been used generally and is in the European treaties from the very start. What will your next nationalist lie be?

That’s a bit ott there. Can’t recall anyone being tied to a chair and executed in the name of further European integration. The actions of the 1916 heroes gave us the independence to choose democratically to join the EEC. While I accept a United States of Europe seems to be the aim of Germany & France we will, I presume, still be given the democratic opportunity to express our wishes at the ballot box. Like it or not that democracy in action.. Even if we change our mind ala Lisbon 2 we have a choice.

Euro sheep…beyond brainwashed

They were spat upon in the Lisbon Treaty

Obviously

Eh didnt think there was regulation in England. The financial services in England is in its own land with its own rules. Its called the corporation of London and its where a lot of criminal activity in the banking sector is instigated. Let them fuck off to Abu Dhaibi. Good riddance.

We’ve more in common with the British than we do with the Europeans.

Please be consitent, the senate is just as undemocratic.
Go look up past members of the senate please, its been full of the same gobshites who graced the dail. Mary Harney comes to mind.
Usually they flee to the senate when they know nobody in their right mind would vote for them into the dail again. Then you have the ones who start off in the senate and move on to show how useless they are in the dail.
There is no place for the senate in modern Ireland. The concept of a political body which rejects the opinion of everyone except for the university graduates is stupid. University graduates aren’t inherintly more up to date politically as an IT graduate or a members of local community groups actively trying to improve their society.
If your going to argue that the ceding powers to the EU is undemocratic which I agree with then don’t blabber on about how much of a loss abolishing an institution which ignores the will of the people is.

On a second reading of your comment it looks as though you aren’t in favor of the senate so scratch that previous comment. With regards to joinging the C’welth and sterling.
I think its intelectually dishonest to leave the euro to join the sterling.
I much prefer the idea of going it alone and maybe building a good relationship with Britain.
If you just join the commonwelth you are left in the same situation we are in now where the people who bankrupted the country still retain control.

We may need to build a stronger relationship with countries like Iceland though. At this point we have more in common with Iceland. Britain are protecting the Icelandic bankers who bankrupted their country and refusing to release them to Icelandic authorities. London is making a name for itself for being a place to go when you are wanted for financial fraud.
This is disgraceful in my mind and should not be tolerated. We need to form alliances with people who want justice served and reform of the financial sector.
Icelandic officials have already stated that Irish Politicians have not been in communication with them and that they would be more than willing to give some advice and help, they said the same for other peripheral countries which are being bullied into corners atm.

Oh and as for Leo’s admisssion – By definition the difference between are confederation and a federation is that the many memberships of the member states in a confederation are voluntary, while the membership in a federation is not.

In other words he thinks its a good thing that we have no choice anymore. What a guy.

And the europhobic game plan is laid bare … returning this country to the warm embrace of Mother England.