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LAST UPDATE | 6 Nov 2020
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden is within touching distance of the US presidency and is preparing to make an address later this evening.
Counting is continuing in the crucial states of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Arizona.
Biden has dramatically overtaken Trump’s lead in Georgia and Pennsylvania, and a win in either would mean Trump could not make it to the magic number of 270 electoral college votes.
Biden only really needs Pennsylvania, which has 20 electoral college votes, and the presidency is his. Trump likely needs to win all four.
Meanwhile, Trump has continued to attract criticism after he made a series of unsubstantiated claims about the election being stolen from him in the White House last night. He has been continuing to make similar claims on Twitter.
We’re not sure when an official call will be made.
Here’s what happened on Friday:
Sean Murray here with you this morning as we go again.
There’s still not a result in the US election.
And there’s been a bit happening overnight so here’s what you need to know.
Biden is on 264 electoral college votes – according to projections from the Associated Press that include the state of Arizona and its 11 electoral college votes. The race has tightened there, however, and is so very close everywhere else.
Trump’s lead has been consistently eaten away here as the mail in ballots were counted. At around 4am our time, his lead over Biden was just 1,800 with 14,000 ballots left to be counted.
Trump’s lead here dropped to around 23,000 votes overnight. To put that in context, before we came to the mail ins, his lead was several hundred thousand. It shows how much Democrat voters opted for voting by post this year as had been well flagged.
Biden’s lead has been narrowing here all the time. It’s now about 46,000 with around 293,000 votes left to be counted. We could have results here, but it’ll be later in the day.
Biden is also still leading here, and there’s around 190,000 votes left to be counted. Around 90% of them are in Clark County where Las Vegas is located.
The two latter states are located in the western half of the states and have a greater time difference. It’s the first two we should be watching earlier today.
It’s really hard to overstate how incendiary Trump’s remarks were last night.
However, he was talking without his usual bombast and seemed more subdued than usual as he gave his address.
Trump made a series of false claims about how the election has been stolen from him but major US television networks ABC, CBS and NBC all cut away from him as he spoke from the White House.
MSNBC’s Brian Williams also interrupted the president. Fox News Channel and CNN aired the president’s full address, after which CNN’s Anderson Cooper said Trump was “like an obese turtle on his back, flailing in the hot sun realising his time was over”.
Here’s a flavour of how it went:
Some Republicans have begun to break ranks from Trump’s unfounded rhetoric in the past day.
Representative Adam Kinzinger, a Republican from Illinois, tweeted that the president’s claims of fraud were “getting insane”. If Trump had “legit” concerns about fraud they needed to be based on evidence and taken to court, Kinzinger said, adding: “STOP Spreading debunked misinformation”.
No Republican should be okay with the President's statements just now. Unacceptable. Period.
— Jeff Flake (@JeffFlake) November 6, 2020
Maryland’s Republican governor Larry Hogan, a potential 2024 presidential hopeful who has often criticised Trump, said unequivocally: “There is no defense for the President’s comments tonight undermining our Democratic process. America is counting the votes, and we must respect the results as we always have before.”
Other criticism, though less direct, came from members of Congress. Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who spoke at a recent Trump campaign rally, said in a tweet that if any candidate believes “a state is violating election laws they have a right to challenge it in court & produce evidence in support of their claims”.
Rubio said earlier: “Taking days to count legally cast votes is NOT fraud. And court challenges to votes cast after the legal voting deadline is NOT suppression.”
Retired Republican senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, was more direct: “No Republican should be okay with the President’s statements just now. Unacceptable. Period.”
He added: “Fellow Republicans, don’t wait until the election is called to defend our elections and our democratic institutions. The time is now.”
We want every vote counted, yes every legal vote (of course). But, if you have legit concerns about fraud present EVIDENCE and take it to court. STOP Spreading debunked misinformation... This is getting insane.
— Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) November 6, 2020
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Trump ally who won re-election Tuesday in Kentucky, told reporters that “claiming you’ve won the election is different from finishing the counting”. His office declined to comment after Trump’s address.
A bit of a different one here, but supporters of Joe Biden in his ancestral home of Ballina in Mayo are confident they will welcome him back as the new US president.
As the Democrat edges closer to the White House, residents in Ballina, Co Mayo, are already planning to roll out the red carpet for his return.
Biden’s great-great-great-grandfather Edward Blewit emigrated from the town almost 200 years ago, having worked as a brick-maker and as a civil engineer helping to map Ireland.
Here’s a breakdown of the current leads in the key states from BBC New York correspondent Nick Bryant.
If you are waking up in the UK, the Trump lead has been cut in Pennsylvania to 22,576 (with more than 170,000 votes still to count, more than 50,000 of them in Dem Philadelphia).
— Nick Bryant (@NickBryantNY) November 6, 2020
Trump lead cut to 1709 in Georgia.
Biden leads Nevada by 11,438
Biden leads Arizona by 47,052.
RTÉ’s Washington correspondent Brian O’Donovan is always enjoyable to listen to.
He’s on Morning Ireland now and has just described Trump’s speech from the White House as “pick your conspiracy theory off the internet”.
The Washington Post is reporting this morning that the Secret Service is sending officers to ramp up protection for Joe Biden.
“The Secret Service is sending reinforcements to Wilmington, Del., starting Friday to help protect former vice president Joe Biden as his campaign prepares for the possibility he may soon claim victory in his bid for the White House, according to two people familiar with the plans,” it reported.
“The Secret Service summoned a squad of agents to add to the protective bubble around Biden after his campaign alerted the Secret Service the Democratic nominee would continue utilizing a Wilmington convention center at least another day and could make a major speech as early as Friday, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the security protocols.”
Trump is still awake and is tweeting.
He’s making reference to how the control of the Senate is up for grabs.
There’ll be two run-off elections in Georgia that may decide who’ll have a Senate majority in January.
A Biden presidency would face problems with a Republican majority so those races will become all-important once the dust settles on this presidential election.
So now the Democrats are working to gain control of the U.S. Senate through their actions on John James, David Perdue, and more. Would End the Filibuster, “Life”, 2A, and would Pack and Rotate the Court. Presidency becomes even more important. We will win!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2020
Trump is sending out a number of tweets.
Again, he’s saying he’s won the election. He’s claiming observers weren’t allowed and says loads of votes must be deemed illegal.
He also says the Supreme Court must decide.
There’s been no definitive evidence of any major voter fraud in any of the races so far. And it’s unclear what exactly he’d be asking the Supreme Court to decide on.
I easily WIN the Presidency of the United States with LEGAL VOTES CAST. The OBSERVERS were not allowed, in any way, shape, or form, to do their job and therefore, votes accepted during this period must be determined to be ILLEGAL VOTES. U.S. Supreme Court should decide!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2020
He’s still going.
Twitter is under his scrutiny now. The social network has marked numerous tweets from the US President as misleading in recent days as he claims fraud.
Here, he’s talking about provision within law that helps to shield social media companies from liability.
Twitter is out of control, made possible through the government gift of Section 230!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2020
In other social media news, Facebook yesterday banned a large group called Stop the Steal that supporters of Donald Trump were using to organise protests against the presidential vote count.
Set up on Wednesday, it had gotten 350,000 members before it was taken down.
Some members had called for violence, while many falsely claimed Democrats were “stealing” the election from Republicans.
“In line with the exceptional measures that we are taking during this period of heightened tension, we have removed the Group ‘Stop the Steal’, which was creating real-world events,” Facebook said in a statement.
“The group was organised around the delegitimisation of the election process, and we saw worrying calls for violence from some members of the group.”
Former Trump ally Steve Bannon has been banned from Twitter.
As well as falsely claiming Trump had won the election, Bannon also said yesterday that the heads of Dr Anthony Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray should be “put on pikes”.
In recent times, Bannon has also been charged for his alleged role in defrauding millions from donors to a campaign to build a Mexican border wall.
We’ve seen protests and counter-protests in the key states in the past two days.
And election officials in several US states have expressed fears about the safety of their workers amid a stream of threats and gatherings of angry protesters outside their doors, spurred by Donald Trump’s claims of a corrupt election.
Groups of Trump supporters have gathered at vote tabulation sites in Phoenix, Detroit and Philadelphia, decrying counts that showed Democrat Joe Biden leading or gaining ground.
While the protests have not been violent or very large, local officials were distressed by the crowds and concerned about the relentless accusations.
We’ve got more on that here.
Big news coming from Georgia.
MSNBC’s Kyle Griffin is saying Trump’s lead has been cut to just 665 votes.
! New vote count in Georgia drops Trump's lead in the state to 665 votes. @MSNBC
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 6, 2020
They’re counting through the night in Pennsylvania and Georgia.
That really slim margin for Trump in Georgia comes with over 98% of votes counted.
Clayton County in Georgia has just 3,500 mail in ballots left to count.
The director of the county’s board of elections Shauna Dozier told CNN that they’ll keep going through the night until every ballot is counted.
She said: “We are going to stay here until every single absentee ballot is counted. We are going to continue forward … whatever it takes to get that done, we’re going to do it. We’re committed.”
This county trends Democrat so Trump will need to watch his razor thin margin in the state closely.
This is worth a watch from MSNBC’s Katy Tur on Trump’s recent tweet flurry.
WATCH: @KatyTurNBC fact-checks tweet from President Trump. https://t.co/XyVHU9b8bT pic.twitter.com/ppUR6cOxAi
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) November 6, 2020
Amidst Trump’s anger, here’s a reminder of what Joe Biden had to say yesterday evening.
He urged Americans to “stay calm” and to wait until every vote was counted.
“We continue to feel very good about where things stand. We have no doubt that when the count is finished, Senator (Kamala) Harris and I will be declared the winners,” Biden told reporters in his hometown of Wilmington, Delaware.
This is also worth a read from TheJournal.ie columnist Larry Donnelly on how ‘Trumpism’ is alive and well no matter who wins the presidency.
I wrote here - a few hours before that incredibly disturbing speech last night - about how the president convinced “soft Trump” and persuadable voters to back him in the final weeks of #Election2020. I wonder how many of them now regret that decision... https://t.co/W5bz52ZrEE
— Larry Donnelly (@LarryPDonnelly) November 6, 2020
One of the latest videos to go viral as we await the election result is this from late night talk show host Stephen Colbert from just a few hours ago.
At the time of writing, it’s been viewed almost two million times.
"If you did not know that Joe Biden was getting close to 270, Donald Trump just provided all the proof you will ever need." pic.twitter.com/urOeCrbzHr
— A Late Show (@colbertlateshow) November 6, 2020
One potential reason for Trump appearing a bit subdued and less fiery than usual while claiming election fraud last night is that he was actually reading out a statement, rather than making his usual off the cuff remarks.
This great shot from the Associated Press’ Evan Vucci shows White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany closing a notebook containing text of what may have been Trump’s speech last night.
We’ve more ballots in from Georgia, and Trump’s lead has shortened again.
Now, he’s just 463 votes ahead of Biden.
However, even if Biden goes ahead, that may not simply mean the networks then call it for him.
Here’s more on the Republicans turning their back on the president given his baseless claims – as well as the few that are still backing him.
Senators Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz are among those who’ve enthusiastically backed Trump in back-to-back appearances on Fox News.
“I’ll tell you the president is angry and I’m angry and the voters ought to be angry,” Cruz told the network’s host Sean Hannity, whose evening show is a favourite of Trump.
Cruz alleged falsely that Pennsylvania’s Democratic attorney general had ordered vote-counting in the state’s largest city of Philadelphia “until Joe Biden wins”.
“We need to get in there now,” Cruz said of voting centres.
Asked by Hannity if the Pennsylvania legislature could refuse to recognise the results and instead give the state’s electoral votes to Trump, Graham replied, “I think everything should be on the table.”
Over in Germany, leading publication Bild is comparing a tweet from Donald Trump Jr to an “infamous speech by Hitler’s Propaganda Minister Josef Goebbels” in February 1943.
The president’s son had posted: “The best thing for America’s future is for [Donald Trump] to go to total war over this election to expose all the fraud, cheating, dead/no longer in state voters, that has been going on for far too long.”
Bild’s article ends: “The question remains whether he was aware of the historical significance of these words.”
Germany’s Bild compares Trump Jr. call for “total war” to desperate Goebbels speech in 1943 https://t.co/tZPdVjWhXn
— Matt Karnitschnig (@MKarnitschnig) November 6, 2020
An interesting one here. More people have written in their own candidate than the current margin between Trump and Biden in Georgia.
Trump’s lead over Biden in #Georgia now down to 463 votes at 3:40 a.m. Friday with votes still trickling out of Clayton County #gapol pic.twitter.com/Mlx3PZ7hKO
— Beau Evans (@beauvans) November 6, 2020
Still counting in Clayton County, Georgia.
Reporters are in the next room watching the 20 or so people still count ballots through a window.
BREAKING- This is the scene at 4:07am here at Clayton County Georgia where they are counting mail in ballots. Things have come almost to a standstill. About 20 poll workers have left, all that’s left are these folks. #ElectionResults2020 #georgia @ChrisCuomo @donlemon pic.twitter.com/nGoJEigwpk
— Nick Valencia (@CNNValencia) November 6, 2020
And Biden is now AHEAD in Georgia.
Reminder: the state is too close to call but Biden has now erased Trump’s lead.
Joe Biden has surpassed President Donald Trump in Georgia, a state where no Democratic presidential hopeful has won since 1992. The race is still too close to call, but it’s a major moment as Biden has now erased Trump’s edge. #gapol
— Greg Bluestein (@bluestein) November 6, 2020
GA Presidential Election Results - Biden takes the Lead
— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) November 6, 2020
Biden (D): 49.39.% ( 2,449,371 votes)
Trump (R): 49.37% ( 2,448,454 votes)
Biden Margin: (+917)
Estimated: > 99% votes in
More results here: https://t.co/xlHf7GZUxJ
It’s still an if right now, but if Biden wins Georgia it’ll be the first time a Democrat has won the state since Bill Clinton in 1992.
So a brief reminder of where a Georgia win would put us.
Going by AP’s projections, Biden would exceed the 270 electoral votes needed for the presidency.
But most US networks haven’t called Arizona yet, and have Biden currently at 253.
The 16 electoral votes in Georgia would leave him just short of the presidency in that case.
However, a win in Pennsylvania and its 20 electoral college votes would erase all doubt. And they’re still counting there through the night.
Oh well now. As pointed out by Ceimin Burke here, Biden winning Georgia means it’s still possible – but not likely – for the electoral college to be a 269-269 draw.
Biden pulling ahead in Georgia means the (highly unlikely) 269-269 drawn election is now possible. some craic
— CeiminB (@CeiminB) November 6, 2020
And what a wonderful goal that was.
Biden channelling 2014 Aiden McGeady to snatch a last-minute win in Georgia https://t.co/WjGrbRuDMd
— Stephen McDermott (@Ste_McDermott) November 6, 2020
There was a rather worrying development last night in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where counting remains ongoing overnight.
Shortly after 10pm (3am Irish time), a man was detained outside the Philadelphia Convention Centre, over what US media has said was a plan to attack it.
Local television channel 6ABC Action News reports that police received a tip that an armed group had driven from Virginia to Philadelphia, a drive of several hours, to carry out some kind of attack at the count centre.
The group is possibly a family, the site reports.
Police have recovered a weapon and seized the Hummer vehicle that the group travelled in. No injuries have been reported.
Christine Bohan has more on that here.
That’s it from me for the moment. I leave you in the capable hands of Stephen McDermott from Aidan McGeady-tweet fame.
Good morning. Stephen McDermott here to take you through the next few hours
If you’re just joining, you’ve arrived at a crucial time: Joe Biden has just taken the lead in Georgia with 99% of the vote counted. A win there would leave him one Electoral College vote shy of becoming the next president.
It’s important to point out that although Biden taking the lead in Georgia is significant, the race is by no means over.
Even a Biden win in Georgia would only put him on 269 Electoral College votes (out of 270 required). Trump could theoretically still win every other state and then it would be up to the US Congress to decide who wins.
Then there is the minuscule number of votes between them. Biden currently leads by 917 votes out of 4,897,825 in the state – a margin of 0.01%, making it a statistical dead heat.
Even though Biden could stretch his lead as more postal ballots are counted, Trump could still call for a recount.
Here’s an interesting take on the two states that Biden has potentially managed to flip, Arizona and Georgia.
Both were the home states of thorns in Donald Trump: John McCain and John Lewis.
It's almost like there was some sort of divine intervention... #Election2020 pic.twitter.com/PLJFmELCvs
— Travon Free (@Travon) November 6, 2020
The actual reasons for both states flipping are more nuanced than that, but it’s an interesting side note.
On Pennsylvania, which holds 20 Electoral College votes and could also be crucial to the race, CNN is reporting that there’ll be an update “in the next hour or two”.
Al Schmidt, the commissioner in Philadelphia County is telling the news network that there were 360,000 mail-in ballots there, with around 50,000 left to count.
Schmidt also explained that Democrats requested postal votes at a rate 16 times more than Republicans in the county.
If that trend plays out when the remaining postal ballots are counted, Biden would add 47,000 votes to his total, compared to just 3,000 for Trump.
Alternatively, the vote split in the county is currently 80% to Biden, which would give him around 30,000 additional votes if that split continues to play out among the votes left to be counted.
Trump currently leads in Pennsylvania by around 18,000 votes, so Biden could be on course to flip the state as well.
For a snapshot of where things are in the four key states that remain, here’s a handy update from NBC:
Vote leads as of 5:30 a.m. ET Friday:
— NBC News (@NBCNews) November 6, 2020
• Georgia (99% in): Biden +917
• Nevada (89%): Biden +11,438
• Pennsylvania (94%): Trump +18,229
• Arizona (90%): Biden +47,052
Of course, the election is being played out in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic, which has been a huge factor behind the surge in postal voting this year.
The US – one of the hardest-hit countries in the world – has reported 123,085 new cases of the virus in the past 24 hours, a new daily increase that saw almost a 25% increase on the previous daily record, set on Wednesday.
More on that here.
CNN’s use of the ‘magic wall’ has given a good breakdown of the state of play in Georgia, which has flipped to Biden overnight.
The majority of the outstanding ballots are to be counted in Gwinnett County, a Democrat stronghold where 4,500 votes remain to be tallied.
Although there are some smaller Republican counties left to count as well, it appears as if Biden’s slim lead in the state could be buffered by the votes that remain.
As a new morning dawns Stateside, here’s where we stand:
You can read all of the election main points in our longer piece here.
There’s been a bit of a lull here in the past few minutes. All eyes are on Pennsylvania for an apparently imminent update on the situation there.
To speculate, there is a potential pathway to a 269-269 tie.
Unlike the Associated Press, CNN and others still haven’t called Arizona and its 11 electoral college votes for Biden, leaving the Democrat on 253 votes.
If Biden takes Georgia (which has 16 votes), it would put him on 269 under CNN’s projections.
Trump could theoretically hold Pennsylvania and North Carolina, putting him on 248 votes. If he adds Alaska and what’s left of Maine, as expected, it would bring him up to 262.
That puts the focus on Arizona and Nevada. Biden leads in each state, but both have about 10% of their votes left to count.
If the president takes the two western states on top of Pennsylvania and North Carolina – where he leads – and Alaska and Maine (where he is expected to win), it would put him on 269 with Biden if the Democrat takes Georgia.
The cards would have to fall in a very specific way for this to happen, and we should caveat this predication by saying that others have already called Arizona for Biden and project a possible win for him in Pennsylvania.
But it’s not entirely out of the question that there could be a draw and the result could go to the US Congress.
Meanwhile, Biden has added to his lead in Georgia – by a single vote.
He led by 1,096 at the last count. It’s now at 1,097.
GA Presidential Election Results
— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) November 6, 2020
Biden (D): 49.39.% ( 2,449,580 votes)
Trump (R): 49.37% ( 2,448,484 votes)
Biden Margin: (+ 1,096)
Estimated: > 99% votes in
More results here: https://t.co/xlHf7GZUxJ
John King, who sent Irish Twitter into raptures last night, has officially returned to the airwaves.
The Taoiseach has had his say on Irish interest in the election after a meeting of the British-Irish Council Summit, as my colleague Gráinne Ní Aodha reports:
Taoiseach:
— Gráinne Ní Aodha (@GNiAodha) November 6, 2020
It's been fascinating to watch, it's a manifestation of the power of democracy, of the electoral process.
The election is not over - every vote has to be counted. Whatever emerges, we see the opportunity to maintain, nurture and grow that enduring relationship.
John King on CNN is giving more good analysis of the overall election vote using the magic wall to look at Pennsylvania as a case study.
For context, Trump is currently leading in the crucial state, but Biden is expected to close the gap and possibly even win there when the 168,000 votes that remain are tallied.
Trump won the state, along with Wisconsin and Michigan, in what were key wins in 2016. This time, Biden has taken the latter two and could sweep to victory by taking Pennsylvania as well.
So what happened Trump?
Well, King points out that the president didn’t actually under-perform in a single county Pennsylvania – a pattern that generally tallies with his performance across the country.
The reason the state – and the presidency – could flip is because Biden simply got more voters out.
Largely assisted by postal ballots, more people have voted for the Democrat than any other candidate in US election history.
Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania is gradually eroding…
LATEST: Trump’s vote margin in Pennsylvania has fallen to ~18,000 #Election2020
— Bloomberg (@business) November 6, 2020
Largely Democratic Philadelphia still has ~50,000 mail-in and absentee ballot votes yet to report https://t.co/V2jE23QaoP pic.twitter.com/XAGsDQB7kU
Here’s a recap of the latest from the key states still counting votes:
If you’re wondering why it’s taking so long for some states to count votes, the Washington Post’s Aaron Blake has a concise explainer here:
Gov. Abbott's first point is key. Texas allows mail ballots to be processed early.
— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) November 6, 2020
MI, PA and WI take longer because their GOP legislatures didn't listen to elections officials asking for the same ability.https://t.co/fIRyrVmKKa https://t.co/t2OnxkZyeY
Some Republicans are breaking with Donald Trump’s attempts to falsely declare victory in the election and claim without evidence that Democrats are trying to “steal” it.
Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, a Trump ally who is an analyst for ABC News, said there was no basis for Trump’s argument.
Christie called Trump’s attack on the integrity of the election “a bad strategic decision” and “a bad political decision, and it’s not the kind of decision you would expect someone to make … who holds the position he holds”.
You can read who else has been criticising him here.
Some clarity on what’s still to come in Georgia, where Biden holds the narrowest of leads:
Biden’s lead in Georgia still stands at 1,096 votes with 8,197 votes still outstanding. But that figure does not include provisional ballots, potential absentee ballot cures or military and overseas ballots. https://t.co/xafyxBeh85
— FiveThirtyEight (@FiveThirtyEight) November 6, 2020
And as we continue to wait for an update in Pennsylvania, I’ll leave you in the capable hands of my colleague Sean Murray. Over to you, Sean…
Cheers, Stephen.
As we still await further results from Pennsylvania, in particular, I’d like to draw your attention to this rather large fence Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell is sitting on.
Falling short of either completely siding with Trump, or outright rebuking him, McConnell has opted for a placating statement.
Here’s how this must work in our great country: Every legal vote should be counted. Any illegally-submitted ballots must not. All sides must get to observe the process. And the courts are here to apply the laws & resolve disputes.
— Leader McConnell (@senatemajldr) November 6, 2020
That's how Americans' votes decide the result.
Some of the legal cases taken by Trump so far have been about getting additional observers in while the ballots are being counted.
Local media in Nevada are reporting his campaign team have told the state Supreme Court that they’re willing to drop its lawsuit against Clark County if they’re allowed extra access to a counting site.
NEW: The Trump campaign / NV GOP say in a new filing in NV Supreme Court that they're willing to drop their lawsuit against Clark County under a stipulation agreement allowing them additional observation access as a ballot processing site pic.twitter.com/nbwvcnCoeA
— Riley Snyder (@RileySnyder) November 5, 2020
The question mark in this headline doesn’t fill me with confidence.
More results were due soon in Pennsylvania several hours ago now.
I think my favorite front page is the @PhillyInquirer's – because the banner headline asks what we're all thinking – "A Winner Today?" pic.twitter.com/eTDLU0T36M
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) November 6, 2020
Anyone who’s been tuning into CNN regularly can relate.
Jake Tapper: “welcome back to day four of CNN’s election night in America.”
— Kay Steiger (@kaysteiger) November 6, 2020
Axios is reporting that Trump aides are dreading the prospect of Fox calling Pennsylvania for Biden, thus declaring him the next president, and it becoming the first network to call who’s won the election.
Trump’s camp have been fuming at Fox since it called Arizona – which is still up in the air – for Biden early on election night.
Aides told Axios they're dreading the prospect of Fox calling Pennsylvania for Joe Biden, which could make the network the first to give Biden 270 electoral votes.https://t.co/S0u1QVwUDx
— Axios (@axios) November 6, 2020
BIDEN TAKES THE LEAD IN PENNSYLVANIA.
This is huge.
If Biden wins this state, he wins the election.
BREAKING: @JoeBiden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania, based on vote totals just submitted by Philadelphia:https://t.co/nXK2Mlqaxb
— Adam Kelsey (@adamkelsey) November 6, 2020
Biden has overturned a huge deficit in Pennsylvania, which has been counting its mail-in ballots last.
At last count, he was losing by 18,000. Now he’s winning by 5,587.
There’s still counting left to be done, but the remaining ballots come from areas strong with the Democrats.
Will any US networks call Pennsylvania – and with that the election – for Biden soon?
BREAKING: Joe Biden now leads in Pennsylvania by 5,587 votes https://t.co/nFinM32tP6
— Axios (@axios) November 6, 2020
In all the key states still counting, Biden is ahead in all of them.
On CNN, John King is saying the end is in sight.
CNN is “not yet ready to make a projection” on Pennsylvania.
The counting in Democrat strongholds in Philadelphia has boosted Biden significantly as the mail-in ballots were factored in.
Those super-blue mail-in votes in strongly Democratic Philadelphia put Biden into the lead in Pennsylvania. There were around 31,000 in the new tranche being reported, and of those, around 87% went for Biden. https://t.co/jSYjckvphX
— FiveThirtyEight (@FiveThirtyEight) November 6, 2020
We’ve more details here on how Biden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania and Georgia as he closes in on 270 electoral college votes.
President Trump had been ahead in both states, and had a commanding lead of around 600,000 in Pennsylvania on Wednesday morning.
Analysts are saying Trump cannot win back the lead in Pennsylvania, based on the data available.
Still waiting on the big networks to declare, though.
This isn't really a question, but as to the issue of whether Trump could retake the lead in PA:
— Jonathan Tamari (@JonathanTamari) November 6, 2020
Even in the most red areas, Biden won or ran roughly even on mail ballots.
One example:
Trump got 79% of the Jefferson County vote.
Biden got 52% of mail ballots
White smoke from NBC.
They’re referring to him as President-Elect.
BREAK: NBC have taken the decision to refer to @JoeBiden as the President-elect #Election2020
— Darren McCaffrey (@DarrenEuronews) November 6, 2020
If Joe Biden wins in the remaining states that he’s ahead in, he’ll win the electoral college by the exact same amount that Donald Trump did in 2016.
Biden now leads in states worth 306 electoral votes. Here's how the map will probably finish pic.twitter.com/jsriBmroWb
— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 6, 2020
CNN is reporting that a national defence airspace is being established over Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware.
Julian Borger / TwitterCNN reports that a national defence airspace is being established over Biden's home in Wilmington, first trappings of the presidency.
— Julian Borger (@julianborger) November 6, 2020
FiveThirtyEight.com is reporting that if Pennsylvania is declared for Biden, then the legal actions Trump is taking will be irrelevant.
Fox News, meanwhile, is reporting that Trump is seeking more recounts and has no plans to immediately concede.
LIVE UPDATES: Trump to seek more recounts, currently no plans to immediately concedehttps://t.co/MjpOd6QdOJ
— Fox News (@FoxNews) November 6, 2020
A recount in Pennsylvania would put an immediate stay on any celebrations for Joe Biden.
However, ABC reporter Adam Kelsey is reporting that Biden’s eventual margin of victory could mean a recount wouldn’t be triggered.
Here's how @JoeBiden avoids an automatic recount:
— Adam Kelsey (@adamkelsey) November 6, 2020
PA state law mandates aa recount if the margin is .05% or less. .05% of the expected total vote (6.8m) is 34k
Biden leads now by 5,587 so he needs to add a > 28k.
He does this by winning 79k (61%) of the remaining 130k votes
They’re all being cautious about calling it right now.
Who has the stones to go ahead and call it? pic.twitter.com/Rp9hJ0GoUF
— CeiminB (@CeiminB) November 6, 2020
The Trump campaign is not admitting defeat yet.
They’ve issued a statement to say “this election is not over”.
It claims false projections for Biden and says that Trump will be re-elected.
In reality, however, it looks like Joe Biden cannot lose at this point.
A statement from the Trump campaign: "this election is not over." pic.twitter.com/92pV9EmBbM
— Josh Wingrove (@josh_wingrove) November 6, 2020
Interesting from Fox News. Even as it approaches the time it could call the election for Biden, it’s being reported that its on-air reporters and analysts have been told not to refer to Joe Biden as the President-Elect.
The memos emphasized that Fox should report moves by Trump's legal teams to challenge the results. "We will report both sides until there is further guidance," one memo said.
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) November 6, 2020
It’s been over seven hours since Trump has tweeted. Given the recent statement from his campaign saying he is the rightful winner of the election, it wouldn’t be unexpected if he unleashed another tweetstorm soon.
A good guess on when would be when Fox calls the election for Biden.
Donald Trump Jr, for the moment, is the one sending a flurry of tweets aimed at casting doubts on the results coming in.
If you think this is all a coincidence you’re an idiot. These are statistical impossibilities. https://t.co/dmnSIJgnC5
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) November 6, 2020
And there I shall leave you for the day. Thanks for reading the liveblog this far. But make sure to stick with it, as it’s likely a victory could be declared for Joe Biden very soon.
I leave you in the hands of Stephen McDermott for the foreseeable. G’luck.
Thanks Sean. Stephen McDermott back here to take you through the next few hours.
If you’re just joining, the big news this afternoon is that Joe Biden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania. And he’s just extended his lead again, thanks to a vote in Bucks County:
Joe Biden's lead has just grown to 6,737 votes in Pennsylvania. @MSNBC
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 6, 2020
And the latest slew of tweets has begun:
“Philadelpiha has got a rotten history on election integrity.” @Varneyco @FoxBusiness
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2020
We should point out that there is no evidence that fraud or issues regarding the integrity of the vote in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania or any other city or state.
Interesting comments from Joe Biden’s campaign team:
Biden spokesperson: The United States government is capable of escorting trespassers from the White House
— West Wing Reports (@WestWingReport) November 6, 2020
He has made similar remarks previously, but it’s still quite jarring to consider that a defeated US president may have to be physically removed from the White House after refusing to accept the election results.
The Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania John Fetterman has come out to bate for the state’s electoral system (and possibly given Trump an idea):
Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman to NBC: "The president can sue a ham sandwich ... every one of these ballots that's in play right now that's gonna be counted throughout the rest of the day has been lawfully received and going to be counted."
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 6, 2020
Now the president’s eldest – considered by some as a possible candidate to run in 2024 – has had her say.
Every legally cast vote should be counted. Every illegally cast vote should not. This should not be controversial.
— Ivanka Trump (@IvankaTrump) November 6, 2020
This is not a partisan statement — free and fair elections are the foundation of our democracy. 🇺🇸
Once again, we should clarify that there is no disagreement that legally cast votes should be counted and illegally cast votes should not.
The problem is that there is no evidence of widespread illegal voting.
Website Fivethirtyeight.com has given an update on Alaska and North Carolina, two states where Trump is expected to win.
It’s reported that absentee ballots in the two states won’t be counted until 10 and 12-13 November respectively – partly as both accept ballots that arrive as late as next week.
So the final result of this race may not be known until at least this day next week, even if Biden crosses the line today.
Here’s where we currently stand as per the latest tallies in the four key states which are still counting:
Biden currently sits on 264 electoral college votes compared to 213 for Trump (although this includes a win in Arizona, which has been called for the former vice president by the Associated Press).
As per that projection, he needs just one of the states to get to the 270 votes required to take the presidency.
There’s been a lot of talk about recounts, with Trump already requesting this in some states he’s lost.
The rules state that a recount can be requested where the winner’s margin of victory is less than 0.5% of the total number of votes.
Trump currently trails by that margin in Georgia and Pennsylvania – although both states still have plenty of counting to do.
Here’s the scene at the White House today, where protesters have left signs on a fence near Black Lives Matter Plaza:
In case you thought Pennsylvania will be called any time soon, the Pennsylvania Department of State has come to dash your hopes.
They report that there are 124,169 absentee ballots left to be counted in the state, including 23,222 in Philadelphia County and 36,456 in Allegheny County (where the city of Pittsburgh is based).
Both counties are expected to see a tranche of votes go to Biden, but for context, there were 168,000 votes to be counted first thing this morning – so it could be a few hours before Pennsylvania is finalised.
Biden’s lead in Arizona has narrowed slightly to 43,569, after Trump won Maricopa County.
There are 223,000 outstanding votes – or around 8% – of the total votes in the state left to count. CNN report that Biden would need 39% to 41% of those votes to win, but Trump would need 58% to 60% to overtake him.
Trump only won Maricopa County with 51% of the share.
Associated Press is saying Pennsylvania – where Biden has just increased his lead to 9,027 votes – remains too close to call.
The former vice president is continually extending his lead as counting of postal ballots from in and around Philadelphia and Pittsburgh continues.
But ominously, Bloomberg report that Associated Press believe a recount could happen in the state. Remember, Biden’s lead needs to be 0.5% or less for that to take place.
There’s been a big development in Nevada.
Ballots from Clark County have handed a huge boost to Biden, who has doubled his lead to around 22,000 votes the Silver State, with 8% of ballots left to be counted.
A reminder from the Associated Press that we still don’t have a winner, and that they’ll update people when they declare one:
The Associated Press continues to count votes in the presidential election and has not declared a winner.
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 6, 2020
When the AP does declare a winner, it will be tweeted from @AP and @AP_Politics#Election2020https://t.co/65yySH06TJ
Biden’s lead in Pennsylvania has slipped slightly. He’s now ahead by just 8,667 votes.
Here’s the latest from four of the key states still counting (and North Carolina):
The Secretary of State of Georgia – where Biden leads by around 1,500 votes – has said he expects there to be a second count. He’s quoted as saying:
“With a margin that small, there will be a recount in Georgia.”
And Biden’s lead in Pennsylvania has extended again: it’s back to 9,746 votes, following a count in Bucks County.
There isn’t a whole lot going on right now (aside from the counting of votes, obviously).
So now is a good time to remind you that if you like our US election coverage, you can support it and our other journalism by making a one-off or monthly contribution to us at thejournal.ie/contribute
He hasn’t officially won yet, but one person who isn’t afraid to call Joe Biden president-elect is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi:
Speaker Pelosi in presser: "President-Elect Biden has a strong mandate to lead and will have a strong Democratic House with him and many Democrats in the Senate. This has been a life or death fight for the fate of our democracy, as he says, the soul of our country."
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 6, 2020
It’s reported that Joe Biden will give a speech from his base in Wilmington, Delaware at “prime time” local time tonight – so probably a bit later Irish time.
That’s all the information there is at the moment. Admittedly, the “prime time” schedule covers several hours, so many of us might be in bed.
Last night we had Anderson Cooper describing Donald Trump as “an obese turtle on its back” following his White House speech.
Now his CNN colleague Jake Tapper has taken aim at the president’s Twitter feed – or “spawn” – as he called it. Tapper said the president’s posts were like “rantings in crayon that sound like somebody having an LSD trip”.
Jake Tapper: “It is like rantings in crayon by somebody having an LSD trip.” 😂🤣 pic.twitter.com/SKcDKYVkYz
— Leilani Münter (@LeilaniMunter) November 6, 2020
The Chairwoman of Philadeliphia City Commissioners has given a press update, saying that 40,000 votes in the county remain to be counted, and this may take several days.
Local leaders are calling on people to exert patience and to allow them to complete the counting process.
Speaking of Philadelphia, a new count has come in for the state of Pennsylvania. Biden now leads by 12,390 votes, 2,643 of which have come from Lehigh County.
And as the gap continues to grow in Pennsylvania, that’s it from me for the evening. I’ll leave you in the hands of Adam Daly. Over to you, Adam.
Thanks, Stephen. Adam Daly here to take you through the next few hours.
We have an update from Nevada where Biden’s lead has grown to 20,137 votes.
The Clark County Registrar of Voters in Nevada Joe Gloria has just been briefing the press and says there are some 60,000 provisional ballots left to be processed, the counting of which may run into the weekend.
CBS Evening News / Twitter"Today, we will start in earnest reviewing provisional ballots," Clark County, Nev., Registrar Joe Gloria says. "There are 60,000 of those to go through in various categories."
— CBS Evening News (@CBSEveningNews) November 6, 2020
LIVE RESULTS: https://t.co/PsduHKcNGC pic.twitter.com/vko0btS0T7
Trump has just released a statement saying he will never give up fighting.
“We will pursue this process through every aspect of the law to guarantee the American people have confidence in our government. I will never give up fighting for you and our nation.”
If you need a refresher of the current state of play, here’s where we stand:
With Biden continuing to pull ahead, White House correspondents are reporting that Trump’s officials are quietly backing away from him.
Jim Acosta / TwitterThere is a battle over strategy right now, according to a source close to WH. Trump is telling people he wants to take these lawsuits up until December when the electors certify. Many around Trump believe it's over. But Trump is digging in, I'm told.
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) November 6, 2020
Kaitlan Collins / TwitterThe atmosphere inside the West Wing is being described as a bit frenzied as reality sets in that Biden is only pulling further ahead. Trump's closest aides seem to be working to manage his frustration. Mark Meadows is focused on Pennsylvania. And many others are looking for jobs.
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) November 6, 2020
Looks like CNN’s John King is allowed a break. Who knew.
The Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger says the state is still too close to call, and that there will likely be a recount due to the current margin of 1,585.
“We are committed to doing anything and everything to maintaining trust in our electoral process here for every Georgian, regardless of partisan preference,” the Republican said, out of step with the GOP party line.
ABC News / TwitterHAPPENING NOW: Georgia Sec. of State Brad Raffensperger holds new conference as votes continue to be tallied. A razor thin margin separates the two candidates in the state. https://t.co/kVRJlLDtk2
— ABC News (@ABC) November 6, 2020
Addressing a conspiracy theory about missing military ballots in the state, touted by Trump, Georgia elections official Gabriel Sterling said:
“That does not mean there’s a bucket of 8,410 votes ready to be counted. That means that there are 8,410 votes that could have been postmarked on Tuesday and received by the elections official today.”
The Associated Press says it won’t be calling Nevada anytime soon due to the high number of provisional ballots still outstanding.
Biden has extended his lead in Pennsylvania again, now 14,733 votes ahead of Trump.
If you’re wondering why the state hasn’t been called yet, NBC’s Steve Kornacki explains why.
Essentially, of the 200,000 ballots left to be counted about half of them are mail-in ballots, and half of them are provisional ballots. The postal ballots have been favouring Biden so far, while Pennsylvania’s provisional ballots have been Trump-friendly.
MSNBC / TwitterWATCH: @SteveKornacki details the outstanding ballots that remain to be counted in Pennsylvania.#TrackingKornacki #MSNBC2020 pic.twitter.com/epjmpGxRLh
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) November 6, 2020
Someone has a lot of time on their hands.
EDM BEN 10 🦍 / TwitterLMAOOO IM NEVER DELETING THIS APP
— gh0stn 🦍 (@_gh0stn) November 6, 2020
pic.twitter.com/krCSZXMfJh
More from the Associated Press on why it hasn’t called Pennsylvania yet.
Far-right radio talk show host Alex Jones is among those at a rally for President Donald Trump outside the Maricopa County Recorder’s Office in Arizona.
Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs told CNN the state has an estimated 250,000 to 270,000 unaccounted ballots left to count – 137,000 of those ballots are in Maricopa County.
Sky News reporter Helen-Ann Smith is at the election office there where protesters are armed. Voting is expected to go on into the weekend.
Helen-Ann Smith / TwitterA couple of hundred Trump supporters have gathered again outside the election office in Maricopa County. The atmosphere is reasonably relaxed, they’re saying there will be many more tonight. pic.twitter.com/HVg1H8yYff
— Helen-Ann Smith (@HelenAnnSmith0) November 6, 2020
Two men armed with handguns were arrested earlier today near the Philadelphia convention centre.
PA is reporting that the men, aged 42 and 61, travelled to the city from the Virginia Beach area in a Hummer and did not have permits to carry the weapons in Pennsylvania.
Philadelphia Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw said they were arrested after the FBI in Virginia relayed a tip about their plans to Philadelphia police.
A silver Hummer with Virginia licence plates was parked at the location where police say they found the men. It was adorned with an American flag and a window sticker for the right-wing conspiracy theory QAnon.
Hi, folks. Garreth MacNamee here with you for the next while. We’re getting there!
Listening to the major US networks, we’re expecting Biden to give a speech in the next couple of hours – whether it’s a victory speech remains to be seen.
Biden has expanded his lead in Georgia to a little over 4,000 votes. We already know there were will be a recount there.
It’s looking more likely that it’s when not if Biden wins Pennsylvania – a state worth 20 electoral college votes which would put the race to bed (if it were any other race other than 2020).
As we know, Trump is going on the offensive and actioning legal challenges over what he has described, without any evidence whatsoever, as election fraud.
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Can’t believe they are once again going to reward people for not working. Absolute redesign of unemployment payments are needed. Payable for a maximum of 1 month in a 12 month period. In a time of full employment, long-term jobseekers allowances should be abolished.
@Tommy Roche: how on earth do you expect travellers to ever work?!!!! How do you expect numerous drug gangs members to work?! How do you expect carrier single mothers to work?! How do you expect people with hundreds criminal convictions to work?!
@Tommy Roche: Again how do you expect crowd people seat 24/7 outside former Crown Paints in Coolock, commit arsons, criminal damage, acts of intimidation and blocking traffic for people coming from work… without increasing their job seekers allowance?!!! Don’t be so cruel!
@Sergej Simonov: drug gang members/ people with 100s of convictions , that’s a life choice that can be changed, not easily but it’s no excuse for not being able to work. Being a traveller doesn’t mean you can’t work either,
@Tommy Roche: Yes let’s prosecute the minority for the fee that don’t work. Typical right wing conservative sound bite. You’d love a bit of austerity wouldn’t you Tommy. We’re not at full employment, some of those figures are slave Labour CE and TUS schemes where the client has absolutely ZERO prospects of getting a job. We need to clamp down hard on tax avoidance from multinationals. Only difference between a scrote living in Blackrock and a scrote in living in Rossfield in Tallaght is the type of clothes they wear. We all remember the crash and the white collar gangsters who got away with it. Every single year it’s people like you who come out with their right wing agenda
@Alan: I think you’ll find the scrote uniform of choice is pretty consistent no matter what town or village they’re from. Canada Goose jacket, North Face tracksuit and some type of electric bike/scooter tells you all you need to know from a mile off.
@CP: he’s being facetious- ignore him
@Alan: Right wing agenda…lol. Imagine being a taxpayer who’s sick of supporting my neighbour up the road, who’s never paid a cent income tax in his life, was bragging only last week about getting a lump sum fuel payment of over €450 and is at this moment spending it in a Dortmund pub !! He, and thousands of others like him don’t have zero prospects of getting a job. They don’t WANT a job. At the current time, anyone seeking employment should have no trouble finding a job. One huge issue is those deemed within SW as ‘unemployable’. Change the payment name to Unemployable Allowance and maybe the stigma would make them rethink their life choices.
@Sergej Simonov: stop making excuses
@Shane O Mac: the thing is they’re not “excuses”, they’re facts. Would you employ any of the people he mentioned? I wouldn’t. Would pay for a fancy meal being served by Anto with multiple convictions, reeking of weed greeting you with a stooorrrry bud? What jobs should they do? And would you be willing to make someone else unemployed to facilitate them? The fact is if you stop their pay they will get their money by illegal means, you could be their victim. I’m all for stopping double payments and Christmas bonuses for long-term unemployed but in the real world you can’t cut them off.
@Gearoid MacEachaidh: so pay them not to commit crime, you’re funny.
@Tommy Roche: Very small minority of people that engage in that behaviour. Should we tell John Doe up the road with an intellectual disability to get of his hxxle to and get a job. It is right wing stigmatising, label anyone who hasn’t worked a day In their life as lazy, not bothering to work, maybe turn your attention to the white collar capitalist elite who sold their souls to the IMF and in turn the Irish government at the time absolutely destroyed the economy with massive tax hikes, massive austerity measures, unprecedented reduction of government spending. You might not have being affected but 1000s did and are still suffering. Capitalism is greed. What we need is a social democratic system of socialism. So please get off your high horse
@Mr “JonnieBoy” Johnson: thanks for the compliment but I’m not trying to be funny, I’m being factual. You live in this imaginary world where you can cut people off from any source of state help and suddenly they will see the error of their ways and generations of poor role models will count for nothing and Anto will don a 3 piece suit, a D4 accent and start selling mortgages for AIB. I live in the real world where giving people state help keeps them from costing the tax payers more in other ways. Every country on the planet has a portion of their population who unemployable. We’re not North Korea were they’re allowed to die of hunger. Even the USA has a welfare system.
@Sergej Simonov: I met a big group of coloock protesters during the summer a lot of mothers and nearly all of them in employment. Troll
@Paul Gorry: watch the smile on pascal face. That grin always show the contempt for the working class people. The biggest the smile the more we will get fecked. I remember how ecstatic he was to present the 5 euros increase a week for pension.
watch that smile
As usual, nothing ever for the working man. Except some pathetic 1% USC cut.
@Daniel Skelton: Better than no cut but could be way better than 1% indeed.
@Daniel Skelton: wrong, working person will be better off by over 1000, those with children even more so
@Pat Hazzard: and the working person will also be worse off by 1000 euro’s because of levy’s etc; typical Leprechaun economics.
@Pat Hazzard: Here, have a read of this from the Independent, and how any benefits we get in the budget will be negated for the most part by taxes and levies. The only one I actually agree with is what is being proposed for vapes and cigarettes, after all, it took me long enough to give them up, but the rest of the increases are going to hit families that are already hard pressed to make ends meet as it is.
@Jack Cass: the levys add up to about 200 pa
@Pat Hazzard: yes divide that 1000 by 12, then divide that by 4, its less than 20 euros so no were are not better off, being on the dole is better off. The working man always gets shafted
@paul dutton: wait until you see what happens in the UK. Things could be worse
@Daniel Skelton: the majority of the WORKING man is doing other jobs and cash in hand. So stop making up excuses
@paul dutton: or just divide by 52. Unless you’re living in a 48 week year.
The budget will not deliver anything to one section of society, the pensioners affected by the 2012 legislation which denied them a pension if they did not have 520 credits. People who took the time out to raise families, look after elderly, infirm and incapacitated relatives in a time when there was no carers allowance or childcare provision. The only thing they are entitled to this week is a free flu shot.
I predict a huge nothing burger from paschal the globalist for those of us that work, scrap carbon taxes and save the people.
@087 bed: Pachal isn’t actually the minister for Finance, but glad to see your consistency with just the one type of tax that you have an issue with.
@087 bed: I work, I’m benefitting so is my other half.
@Jason Memail: well he did an enormous amount of damage to the country in past budgets as minister for finance, so. This is what they really on our wonderful Fg, Irish who have amnesia
@Jason Memail: Donohue is a piece of work, he sent me a vicious email once upon a time after i addressed his intimidation and propaganda when the chamber was talking marijuana use. He’s a belligerent Tory who did a lot of harm when given the finance role.
I always seem to fall into the category that literally gets noting back !
Hashtag: sick of it !
@kevin rock: are you between a rock and a hard place?
Opportunity to tackle the
HOUSING CRISIS
@RIP: Whilst simultaneously tackling net immigration
@Mick Joe: we’ll need immigrants to build the houses
@Dermot Blaine: They’re one of the primary reasons we have a housing crisis.
@Dermot Blaine: please explain. The import of cheap foreign labour has resulted in the exodus of Irish high skilled workers that we’re building 70,000 houses per year 15 years ago . The rates of pay have only increased slightly from the crash, hence now we have a very large shortage of plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, carpenters etc. There isn’t the capacity to build more homes, hence the government trying to entice Irish skilled construction workers back, which has failed miserably.
@Dermot Blaine: So they are no longer Doctors and Dentists but in actual fact plumbers, and brickies?
Hard to keep up these days.
The USC should be gone completely at this stage.
Considering the money available now to this government, the budget is falling short of what could comfortably be delivered.
There’s a little being offered but there could and should be a lot more.
A government that has no excuses relating to lack of money ,yet absolutely no creativity or inventiveness to serve the citizens of the country. God love us all when the economy takes a turn, the government will feed us to the wolves.
Pribe the voters
Win …..
Collapse
Repeat …..
Can some one clarify please. What a out a single pension with no children. Just on there own. What will the budget do for them. Besides extra 12 € a week. Do they not get any double payment except x ma’s
@John Flanagan: increase in pension, increase in fuel allowance, increase in living alone allowance, double pension payment
National children hosp, security hut, bike shed, millions to IPAS business…just think while they give away money coming up to an election!
Buying votes.
Nothing done to alleviate housing, in fact the very opposite.
Failure from FFG as usual.
Give away budget before elections. But realise they give back our own payed tax money but pretend that it’s theirs.
@hans vos: this isn’t a giveaway budget. Majority of people getting little to sweet FA from this budget. Give away budget my hole.
@hans vos: SF supporters must be very confused as the government has stole their thunder and even outdid them.
@hans vos: they’re giving away less than in previous years. Was the last 3 budgets to get votes too? Answer is yes. That’s literally the whole point
@hans vos: “but pretend that it’s theirs”? Eh, how is it you think societies are funded? Everyone KNOWS it’s by the tax take, be it Corporate, VAT, Income etc.
So, no, no one, including those is Govt is pretending it’s anything other then the Tax take being distributed.
@thomas molloy: it’s not the first time that they have a budget before elections and than go back on their words after.
@Tricia G28: Societies are funded with tax money payed by company’s and public. Spending by government is taxpayers money. They know of cause but still pretend that they do us a favor when the spent it.
Not for the ordinary people.
@Áine G: wrong, budget will benefit everyone
@Áine G: what do you consider ‘ordinary people’ I genuinely can’t see any cohort that has been left out if leaks are to be believed.
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four-star daydream
Money don’t get everything it’s true
What it don’t get, I can’t use
Now gimme money, that’s what I want
@Modern Irish Dad: the best things in life are free..
@peter willekens: Mr Willekens you can keep ‘em for the birds and bees.
Before the election the government throw bones to the dog
To make happy the dog
@Hugo Omar Martinez: you’re right. It would be better if they threw no bones, isn’t that right?. Then you can moan about them doing nuttin”
USC was brought in as a temporary measure they should have abolished it
Buying the vote. They are just giving us our own money back, and if it wasn’t an election year, this budget would be very different. The only people that should be benefiting is the people going out to work and the vulnerable people in society. We have full employment people shouldn’t be paid to stay at home.
@Chris Lane: The people going out to work just got a tax cut or did you miss that part?
@Chris Lane: Which, for the average paid worker, is less than the increase of those that don’t work got.
@Tricia G28: so they aren’t giving anything but they will expect ye to be happy that they are not going to take quite as much in this one area were they are riding us workers raw. As for energy credits ye can stick them up your holes. Just stop the cartels gouging us left right and centre and we wouldn’t need it. All its doing is transferring our money to there mates and prolonging the gouging.
@Tricia G28: a pathetic cut that won’t make a difference.
I wonder what’s been done for the early years sector, it’s on the brink of total collapse.
@Rach: Here here.
@Anthony Curran: ss’zzz
Going to get a new Ouija board with the extra dole money. Thanks to all the workers!
…must be funny in a rich man’s world.
Serves majority of hospitality sector right. You reap what you sow hotels. Triple price hotels when concerts on. Hahaha. Wouldn’t stay in a hotel in rep of Ireland ever again, North of Ireland place to go, Belfast is the spot. From a southerner BTW.
@Bills n Stuff: don’t put highly funded hotels in same boat as small cafes and restaurants
I’m reducing my active contribution to the economy. They’re a bunch of tight fisted criminals. Taxpayer screwed again.
@Fintan Stack: Cry some more
@Vince Cable: get back out canvassing
@Fintan Stack: I’m a taxpayer, and I’ve done just fine.
2.1 billion for foreigners to settle in Ireland . The politicans are very generous with tax payers money. All people who have a vote in the upcoming general election use it.
Another sh itsh ow
A few good initiatives that will make a difference like school books, college reg fee reduction. These are things that two income middle class families will see a benefit of. I didnt expect much and we got a little. It could have been better but could also have been worse. People with young families seem to have gotten some good news and that’s important and also the companion travel I think is really good.
I won’t be voting for this government didn’t buy my vote
Hands up if you are currently working on the Sinn Fein Troll Factory?
Finally free of the Quinn levy. How much did he cost us in the end?
I’m
We are not poor, we just suck at being poor, and I’m not referring to the Irish citizens.
Failte Ireland we can take off on the entrance to cafe
@Renars Pundurs: Interesting, although I don’t think they’re in cafes? Could be wrong, they are however in hotels, guest houses, hostels,
bed and breakfasts, self catering, caravan and camping and holiday camps.
Save Lebanese children from israeli terrorists
There are three dentists in the greater Dublin area I’m aware of that are still in the psri/medical card scheme for teeth – is fine Gael going to do anything about that ? cocked Up just like most healthcare!!
@Modern Irish Dad: but love dont give no compensation, love don’t pay no bills… Love kills.
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Cookies, device or similar online identifiers (e.g. login-based identifiers, randomly assigned identifiers, network based identifiers) together with other information (e.g. browser type and information, language, screen size, supported technologies etc.) can be stored or read on your device to recognise it each time it connects to an app or to a website, for one or several of the purposes presented here.
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times an ad is presented to you).
Information about your activity on this service (such as forms you submit, content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (for example, information from your previous activity on this service and other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (that might include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present advertising that appears more relevant based on your possible interests by this and other entities.
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on your advertising profiles, which can reflect your activity on this service or other websites or apps (like the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects.
Information about your activity on this service (for instance, forms you submit, non-advertising content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (such as your previous activity on this service or other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (which might for example include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present content that appears more relevant based on your possible interests, such as by adapting the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find content that matches your interests.
Content presented to you on this service can be based on your content personalisation profiles, which can reflect your activity on this or other services (for instance, the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects. This can for example be used to adapt the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find (non-advertising) content that matches your interests.
Information regarding which advertising is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine how well an advert has worked for you or other users and whether the goals of the advertising were reached. For instance, whether you saw an ad, whether you clicked on it, whether it led you to buy a product or visit a website, etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of advertising campaigns.
Information regarding which content is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine whether the (non-advertising) content e.g. reached its intended audience and matched your interests. For instance, whether you read an article, watch a video, listen to a podcast or look at a product description, how long you spent on this service and the web pages you visit etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of (non-advertising) content that is shown to you.
Reports can be generated based on the combination of data sets (like user profiles, statistics, market research, analytics data) regarding your interactions and those of other users with advertising or (non-advertising) content to identify common characteristics (for instance, to determine which target audiences are more receptive to an ad campaign or to certain contents).
Information about your activity on this service, such as your interaction with ads or content, can be very helpful to improve products and services and to build new products and services based on user interactions, the type of audience, etc. This specific purpose does not include the development or improvement of user profiles and identifiers.
Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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