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Potholes, loose chippings, floods: Welcome to Ireland’s rural roads

One council engineer admits that limited funding means “we are stretched beyond breaking point to carry out even basic repairs”.

TWO WEEKS AGO, TheJournal.ie featured a photograph of a road travelled by one of our readers to work everyday.

It was referred to locally as ‘The road to Baghdad’, potholed and “nearly impassable”. The road was part of the R164, a regional route (a step up from those routes designated as ‘local roads’) that runs between Moynalty, Co Meath and Kingscourt, Co Cavan.

After TheJournal.ie published the photograph, several national newspapers followed up on the story, publishing their own pictures of the two-mile stretch “that looks like a minefield”. The weekend after its publication here, the same reader reported that Meath County Council had arrived out to dig up and fix the road on a Saturday. “They never work Saturdays,” he said.

While that reader’s commute to work may now be on the road to repair (sorry), he said he hoped the initial photograph would help start a debate on the state of roads around the country.

It did. Here are some of the photographs you submitted to us:

  • This is the R34096 outside the home of John Smith in Co Meath. This is the condition of the road for around half a kilometre – the road links the R163 and the L3409.

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John wrote to Meath County Council asking if there were any plans to have the road repaired, saying that “simply filling these holes will no longer be sufficient as there is a long length that will need to be completely resurfaced to avoid personal injury/mechanical damage to vehicles”.

He received this response from the executive engineer overseeing the area where the road is located:

Dear Mr Smith,
I would like to acknowledge receipt of your email dated 21/01/2013.

Firstly let me say I am in agreement with your appraisal of the road’s physical condition and that the road would benefit from a resurfacing project.

This road like many others in the Kells Electoral area ideally requires a reconstruction. However, regrettably there is a considerable shortfall in the necessary funding  to carry out these type of works. Therefore, until such funding becomes available to reconstruct these roads, we have no alternative but to include the road in a list for rudimentary patch repairs. And as you’ve implied these repairs will have a limited longevity as the road requires resurfacing not patching.

Furthermore, to exacerbate the problem we are stretched beyond breaking point to carry out even basic repairs. With the limited resources available we cannot repair all the roads at this time and we have had to make the difficult decision to prioritise works on the more heavily trafficked roads (ie, where the risks are greater). Therefore while your road has been added to the list for repairs, there will be a significant wait time before we get to these lower class of roads.

Regretfully we can be of no more assistance at this time.

This photograph is of Daithe McCartney‘s local road on the Monaghan/Louth border. He says: “It’s practically impassable by car and has about the same amount of tar in it as a cigarette.”

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  • This next photograph shows a road through Clykeel North just outside the village of Rathcormac, Co Cork.

David Feehan writes: “I wonder why I pay my car tax and more recently the household charge.”

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  • This next road is a cul-de-sac in Allenwood North, Naas, Co Kildare but according to Rory Wilkinson, who sent the photo, it is a busy road that serves around 100 households and a number of local businesses along its half-a-mile stretch.

He writes:

We have spoken to the Co Council repeatedly and they said they would fill in the holes. But this never happened. The road needs to be skimmed right down and a new surface put on. Filling in potholes is very temporary measure.

I contacted a local FG TD and he told me that our road is not a priority and a resurfacing job is never going to happen. I paid my household tax and my car tax. I would like the County Engineer to answer, in his professional opinion, yes or no does he think that the state of our road is acceptable?

Rory says that some locals refer to it as ‘The Allenwood North Municipal Crazy Golf Course’.

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  • Alan Barry sent in this photograph – taken by Ciaran Cronin – of a road which locals in Co Cork are being asked to take between Carrigtwohill and Leamlara. Part of Dooneen Bridge Lower had been washed away on the ‘main road’ at Leamlara in August of last year and the road remained closed for months, with this detour in place instead:

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  • Sara McSweeney, who also lives in the area, said that work started on the bridge collapse just before Christmas but that work had stopped again in late January. The detour also adds on about 7 miles so some locals actually find themselves using stretches of the “appalling” closed road.

She writes:

The one with the cone in the middle of a large pool is a stretch of road that is constantly flooded, but there is a crater measuring about 5x2ft under that pooled water so if the cone wasn’t there, and you drove into it, your car wouldn’t be worth much afterwards.

In our area, it isn’t just the tiny back roads that are affected but roads between the villages and main shopping/work areas such as Fermoy, Middleton and Carrigtwohill as well as the road to join the M8 and it’s definitely not down to private cars but large trucks, lorries and farm machinery that use the roads.

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Safe driving, folks.

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Comments (100 Comments)

  • As you can see, surface water has no where to go and the drains are the problem. Bring in Community service for offenders, have them out digging and clearing ditches/drains!

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  • One of those roads looks like a river bed. How u are supposed to drive on them roads in anything other than a large jeep is beyond me

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    • This is strange, in my region, Dublin Meath Kildare, there has been continuous road repairs, some gladly needed, but in alot of cases roads that had no issues were unnecessarily resurfaced. Ccouncils should be allowed stare surplus budgets, or have a provincial fund. The reasons we’re told that they have no money are not logical.
      But that word seems to be dying and almost extinct – logic!

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    • I agree Rob, this nonsense of “use your budget or lose it” leads to terrible wastage. Perfectly good roads in North Leitrim are constantly being resurfaced, and corners being cut off them when it’s totally unwarranted, and at the same time other counties have to deal with the examples above.
      We need to somehow adopt a bigger picture approach to local council funding or have a central roads authority that manages the finances.

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    • Correct ,and then sell your house to tax it

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    • Rob,

      The councils do have surplus monies….in the millions in some cases. They just don’t give a shit about us. The only roads that get fixed are the ones that are used by “important” people.

      Wait until its closer to the elections, then you local ff/fg councillor will “fix the road” for the common folk..

      And it’ll work to because stupid people have short memories and like a fixed road…

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  • If anyone is looking to find where all the tarmac is gone, look no further than the Dungarvan/Cappoquin area. I’ve never seen more tarmac laid than outside the Waterford County Manager’s house. The footpaths will have to be brought up to meet it. And outside Austin Deasy’s house; new ramps cycle lanes etc. Outside the Welcome Inn a new junction a plane could land on and spanking new bridge over a gully a pipe under the road would have taken. The areas with sitting TD’s are definately treated in a completely different manner to the rest of the country.

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    • I agree with the sentiment. But it’s important to note this story is an extreme case used by some public sector councils to justify new taxes. Unfortunately, history has shown many taxes are squandered mostly on wages, increments, allowances, sick days, etc. I’m not trying to single out anyone or discredit them but we need to abolish property tax and cut our spending.

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  • I use to work for a company that sprayed the tar ahead of the council truck that laid the chippings. We would always be outside the council depots before they opened. They would never be ready to leave. Never was anything prepared the evening before.

    It was normally 2 hours after opening that we would get to the road being resurfaced. And then there would only be two tipper trucks that would usually have to do a 15 mile round trip to pick up the chippings. It wss terrible resource management, everyone was standing around doing nothing for hours. All of them seemed quite happy about this.

    If it was a private company operating this way they would go out of business.

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  • Symptomatic of the entire nation.Welcome to Ireland 2013 with our lack of adequate policing, faltering health services, high taxation and ineffectual national and local government.

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    • No different from Ireland 2007/8/9/10/11/12 then. Don’t forget the inadequately funded education system.

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    • Welcome to Ireland 2013 where everyone expects the penniless government to pay for everything, and everyone opposes increased taxation and any proposed cuts

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    • Funny there seems to be incessant demand from locals to exercise their “rights” to build on these roads in the middle of nowhere. They then lobby councillors and TDs and hey presto – cars on roads that were never built for the traffic. Ordinary citizens have to understand that they are creating the problem.

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    • What about the fee you have to pay the council when you build a house in the country side? € 3,000 in Westmeath to go towards the up keep of roads and local amenities. What about our car tax, what are we paying that for? People have a right to choose where they live. Not everyone can live in a houseing estate or wants to!

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    • @brian – what are the roads built and tarred for if not for cars and traffic? horse&carts? hillwalkers? or just are they just badger paths? get a grip will you man ffs. what the public are being given in return for their car tax in nothing short of a fooking joke

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    • @sinead if you think the increased taxes will go to roads or any other services you are being extraordinarily naive. The new tax is for the bankers… All of it.
      They have enough tax from road/car tax to service these roads, but it is spent on pensions and social welfare instead.

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    • Lol
      The ignorance is staggering.
      Yes, we all built mansions on badger paths.
      Old Ireland is dead and gone.

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    • Yes @sinead, fair point. However, when you pay high fees in taxation for your car, you do expect decent roads.

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    • In Germany not everyone lives in estates but you just can’t build anywhere either and expect a perfect road to the middle of nowhere. 3000 euro doesn’t pay for that.

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    • @ Holger you do apply for planning permission in this country and it is the local authorities decision to grant it or not. The 3k is a contribution towards the upkeep, everyone who builds pays this fee and some counties charge more. We are not living in Germany.

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    • @Carley: Why do the Local Authorities grant permission if they know that they are in no position to guarantee the upkeep of the road leading to the house(s)? Yes, we are not living in Germany, neither are we living in Sweden, France, Italy, Austria etc., yet in none of these countries have I seen such a degree of ‘dis-settlement’, that is single houses dispersed throughout the countryside. Ireland has a lower population density than any of these countries bar Sweden. Could there be something wrong with the planning process? And not just in Kerry? In other countries some roads are just ‘given up’, they are not required anymore, and no one lives along those roads. That is not possible in Ireland, as most roads also function as an access road to a house. I have no data on it, but I think it’s quite likely that in Ireland the ratio of taxpayers to miles of roads to be maintained must be quite high, i.e. few taxpayers, many miles., which would partly explain the lack of funds. Bailing out (foreign) banks would certainly be another, but were those roads really that much better in 2006?

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    • In Ireland if you meet certain criteria e.g. Local needs etc. you may be granted planning permission. People who come from rural areas and grew up on farms tend to settle in the country side hence the one off houses, its a way of life that many people want for themselves and their families.There are plenty of people and authorities and even our climate to blame for the state of our roads. Small country roads are not a priority over major national roads. I have seen perfect roads re surfaced for what seem like no good reason. However a lot of roads have been left crumbled with large craters because of the record breaking amount of rain that fell this year. It’s not only damaged roads but farm land too and our government and local authorities are simply not equipped to handle the situation. You only have to look at the capital Dublin to see what the floods have done there. The wrong people in a job there are not capable of doing. This country should be run more like a business. For example county council workers out on the street work from 9-4 that is not a normal work day take ascon/roadbridge big companies that build our motorways they work from 8-6. I have often seen 5/6 looking into a hole and standing around doing nothing. They wouldn’t get away with it with ascon/roadbridge.

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  • Where exactly is the road tax money going????

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  • I’m using the property tax money to replace my tyres

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  • I hate to be the doom and gloomy one to say it but I think it is true in this case….so long as the roads politicians have to travel are ok then as far as our government is concerned then all of the roads are ok. Other than publicly disgracing our councils and country with pictures of what we as road tax paying motorists have to travel the only other way of getting the roads fixed is probably by being related to a politician ….

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  • Privatise the county councils road repair / get the work carried out by fixed price contract , the savings will be huge and way more roads will be repair ed… ASAP….

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  • sarah 17/02/13 #

    How about Buttevant the main road between limerick and Cork. It a bloody disgrace. People have even broken bones walking across the road. I keep saying I’m going to put a cup of water on the dash and film diving from one end to the other. There is actually a crater about 3ft x 2ft which cannot be avoided in less you cross the white line. Everyone should stop paying tax on there car until the roads are back to a road!

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  • I assume that most people saw the skit of the lad in Cork who went for a swim in a pothole on his road? Well, the diligent local council officials and Gardaí visited his house last week to take a statement on why the bollards were moved and why he could have potentially caused an accident by their removal. Why didn’t Gardaí go to the home of the county manager and charge him with endangerment?

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  • It looks like those roads have been carpet bombed by a B52 bomber, disgraceful, what are we paying road tax for at all

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  • In Ballinonty, Tipperary, a bridge was damaged early last year (could even be the year before) and did the council fix it….. No they just closed the road… its still closed a year or more later. But what harm? it only adds 5 miles a day onto my commute. So long as that new cycle path in Clonmel got finished thats the important thing. More voters in Clonmel ya aknow.

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  • I pass through a town in Mayo each morning and evening, wont say which.
    Anyway, the Railway gates (about 15ft long) at a road junction belonging to a disused railway were been paided. 2 gates. and I counted 6 men. I’m not kidding. They had wire brushes, a power washer (hired from a local tool hire) and red and white paint..

    They were, I KID YOU NOT, there for 3 weeks. I saw them Monday through Friday.
    6 Men!!!

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  • The roads around Naas between Ballymore and blessington are as bad as any photographed here. They need to be resurfaced and proper drainage put in. They are dangerous to drive on and cause damage to vehicles yet the council will just send a truck out and shovel some Tarmac into them about four times a year. This gets washed away by rain within a week usually. I understand there is a shortage if money however Kildare county council recently spent a lot if money putting in traffic lights in numerous places in Naas which were of dubious necessity. They also redid the road layout in Johnstown which also dies not seem to bd an urgent requirement. A lot of the road improvement seems to be politically motivated rather than motivated by necessity of the residents of Kildare. Someone with time on their hands should look at this. It is really a disgusting continuation of the kind of decision making that had left this country in such an awful state.

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  • Well I agree bring chain gangs!! Plus county councils spent years wasting money filling pot holes that are full of water! If they fix a pot hole right the 1st time road won’t deteriorate as quick! CC’s do lake a little common sense!

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    • They amaze me, outside my estate there is a 1x1ft pothole, it took two trucks and 4 council personnel 4 days to fill it in and fix it, guess what, a week later its nearly as bad as it was. Absolute disgrace

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  • There’s 6 council workers repairing a broken wall in Kilworth Co Cork with the last month. What a waste of manpower. Every time I pass at least 3 of them are standing around looking frozen. Privatise all road repairs, even with the same budget, a lot more would get done!!

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  • So this is the benefit of paying increased motor tax and household charges. Well, when you put it like that!!!!!!!!!

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  • 1600 councils & town councils into 26 counties doesn’t leave for much spare cash once all salaries, pensions, expenses & other benefits are all paid out. That’s where your motor tax & household charge is going, the money has nothing to do with servicing your community. It simply keeps the local fat cats in the standard they’ve been accustomed to, whilst everyone else in be private sector has cut their cloth & head counts during this lovely time of austerity.

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  • I thought the €100 household charge was to pay towards upkeep of roads, parklands and other services where houses are based. At least that’s what my TD’s said Cavan….

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  • Sadly, you’d think that our current economic situation would force our government and public works to become more conscious of spending, job completion and road user satisfaction…

    I put to you… What must happen before we learn that efficiency is good? That efficiency saves money? That efficiency employees more people?

    It is thought provoking when visiting other First World European and Nordic Countries, and see what can be achieved.

    It appears that any benefits receive from our taxes will continue to dissapoint.

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  • My roads are the very same as those pictured only I have grass growing on them too. The road I live on has only ever been surfaced once.. ever. Tat was over 40 years ago. But still I am expected to maintain a car to NCT standard and pay my motor tax. At lease I know they’ll never come here looking for the houshold charge because they will not think anyone could live on these roads.

    Privatisation is the ONLY solution. Too many times have I witness how lazy and wasteful the county council are.

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    • MrKnow 17/02/13 #

      privatization? no way mate, imagine, every road would have a toll booth on it, every square meter of road would be pay and display everytime you stop your car

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    • Ah no. Not like that. If the county council was only admin who contracted the road works out, you would immediately see an exponential surge in value for money because if a company hired performed like the county councils do they risk not being contracted for the next job.

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  • Very disappointed with discussion on potholes Matt Cooper & friends @ today FM this evening after I waited on to hear it/matt & co made light of such an important issue /surely councils have to be made clean up their act !!! :(

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  • If any of you wonderful readers of the journal ( including trolls) ever get a chance, drive through Athboy in Co Meath, it is the worst road in Ireland by a long stretch ( a road through a town or village) they have also carried out roadworks non stop for the best part of ten years , some parts have been dug up so much they bear scars…. On a foot note , went into a pothole a few clicks outside Athboy ( mitchelstown) it’s a sneaky one, when you turn left of the Trim road, it’s there to meet you.. BOOOOM, rang council, they sent me out a proforma with details to fill in( damage etc ) won’t hold my breath that they will pay for the damage.

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    • I dunno hey, I’m from mayo but the road out to Clifden in Galway is absolutely brutal!

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    • Know the road in atboy. Absolute scandal

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    • Dave emailed Meath co co 3 times and no reply: the last one stated that they are liable for any damage to repair my car when and they can write back if they werent in agreement (guess who didn’t read the short print!!!) roads not being started till Good Friday now (it was meant to be 7th jan!!) engineer said that its a hazard and the foundations have to be relaid and roads completely dug up and new ones put down and Patrick’s day parade is cancelled because the road is a health and safety issue. Complete disgrace!! The roads are nearly impassable and this is through a town!!!!!!

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    • It’s not ok for your car lights to be even slightly off alignment, but it seems to be ok for the councils to ignore potholes.

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  • Thank you for highlighting this Susan & including some of the photos I sent in. Some patching up work has been completed on some roads but the bridge is still closed – nearly there but not quite. As for the traffic cone, it’s still there & should be joined by 4 more because as the waters receded, potholes appeared on the other side of the road. Its a nationwide issue but its not much comfort knowing we’re that the only ones putting up with this.

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  • Don’t think the roads have being this bad since the black and tans used to dig them up almost 100 years ago

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  • They did patch up part of the Kingscourt to Kells road within the last week, the only problem is that the repair job is rougher than the potholes that were there before (The tar has ripples in it). It is typical of road repairs in this area, just slap the tar down and pat it with a shovel and your done.
    The only real time you seen anyone repairing to the roads in this area is during an election and even then its a half ass job. While they use the excuse that there is no funding as a reason for the state of the roads, when the country was a flood with money, the roads were in just a bad state.

    Maybe if they spent less money paying counseller’s (who do nothing) and more fixing the roads we wouldn’t have to worry about popping a tire or wrecking the suspension on the car every time we drive down a road.

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  • Denzil 17/02/13 #

    All the extra taxes are going towards councillor’s expenses , you hardly expect them to pay for things like their family’s Sunday dinner in the local 4 star hotel DO YOU!!!!!!!!

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  • Potholes seem to be primarily a problem that you see on Irish roads. If you go to England, Scotland and Wales their roads (even in the back of beyonds) are well maintained and have a good surface. Similarly in Australia I remember driving from airline beach (north west) down to port Campbell (south) and I can say for certain I never saw a pothole. The only roads that reminded me of Irish roads while travelling are the roads in Cambodia (granted they were much worse than the roads pictured in the article above).

    You don’t have to travel far to find potholes here. They are just as frequent on city roads. I have asked the council to fix them and they do send staff out. However they may as well be filling the holes with coco pops because within a week the holes are back. (Btw fixmystreet.ie is good site for submitting pothole requests).

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  • Gary 17/02/13 #

    Since I pay my road tax every year if my car is damaged because of these terrible excuse of roads can u make a claim against the local county council?

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  • I live in a wealthy area in south Dublin and our roads are perfect! (Boredom trolling)

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  • skoda 18/02/13 #

    COUNCILS WOULD YOU EVER SHUT UP AND DO THE WORK YOU ARE PAID TO DO.

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  • If the staff in the local council weren’t on such high salaries and if there wasn’t so many elected reprensatives claiming “expenses” we my have more money for the roads

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  • And I thought that South African roads were bad..

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  • So people who live in areas the roads are in this condition still have tax to pay and road tax i would assume is used for fixing roads….the local council should be held liable to damage of cars due to the pot holes and for accidents caused by them

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  • SMcB 19/02/13 #

    In most of the pictures above, It’s fairly clear that the water has no where to go. Instead of patching the roads with tar get the workers out to dig a few drains!! And then put a few bags on concrete in the holes!!

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  • Councils have no problem spending huge amounts of money on traffic light and smart traffic lights when a roundabout would have been more useful. All the money has been spent on traffic lights, I know Limerick and Cork are two of the counties where there has been a surge of new traffic light junctions!

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    • Mjhint 17/02/13 #

      Eoin if you suggest that roundabouts are a good replacement for trafic lights you need to visit milton keynes. Roundabouts are ok for low volumes of trafic but cause huge problems in high volume trafic.

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  • Potholes seem to be the vote grabber on all rural roads. You’d swear that these are intentional so idiots will say, wow counciler XY did an amazing job, HE FIXED THE ROAD!!

    Repeat every four years, never wondering why when they are ‘fixed’ they never last more than a government cycle.

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  • 20/02/13 #

    The Road Safety Authority remains silent on the continuous deterioration of the country’s roads, just a bunch of glorified tax penalty collectors

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  • We have more tar paved road per head of popl than any other country.

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  • Our road is just as bad and with the heavy pain hedges that went uncut are now leaning out onto the road. So you either destroy your Tyres and change bulbs every few weeks or your other choice is let your car get badly scratched

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  • Councils are broke purely because of their wastage and poor management,we can’t keep bringing in taxes because people are not doing their job.if county managers can’t make their books balance why would we not privatize ?why should we pay them 140’000 euro a year for failing at very basic stuff?

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  • ah yea lads keep paying the troika tax and then keep being amazed when your local roads are not fixed when the country is being financially raped. it is hardly a mystery what is going on here central government funding has been cut due to the fact that central government has diverted the income gotten from motor taxa household charge other forms of taxation into paying bondholders. when will people connect the dots

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  • €710 a year for car tax and I have to deal with some of these shitty roads,if you go to Waterford the roads are perfect but in cork they are a fu@@ing disgrace

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  • I’d love to know where Waterford County Council, got the money to do the the works just as you come into the town. I’ve never seen so many new road signs, islands, cycle lanes, and fresh tarmac been laid all in half a mile, while a busy backroad from the Springmount roaundabout is closed as its in a pi$$ poor condition.

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  • 98000 kilometres of road

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  • Be carefull what you say about the council’,you might find your self targeted by civil servants that don’t like them bring targeted,
    You would be amazed the info they have on you and the way they can use it.

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