Remember Big Ian?

‘a clown car of enraged protesters’…spot on! It’s childish and churlish, and these guys give off the impression that they wait on the edge of their seats for the next farcical affront. Why such anger and fear?

I think the reason is largely that the majority of Islamic societies are failed societies that do not value the creation of infrastructure like education and science necessary for a modern society, which is tragic as that part of the world was the cradle of science and knowledge for centuries. Instead, they see the world through the medieval prisms of shame, pride and honour, while being incapable of performing any kind of rational self-critique. Everyone else is to blame for their problems except themselves.

+1. Hope they are safe. My cousin is not long back in Ireland from a mission. And if they save lives from these maniacs it’ll be something to be really proud of as an Irishman.

Unfortunately this is their life.

Exactly. Get a life, grow up & cop yourselves on. Ridiculous behaviour.

What a dumb comment

Sez he with an avatar such as that. Missing the irony I suppose.

What’s ‘dumb’ about the comment? It’s the truth!

Willie P is being humourous. Something many who practice Islam need to learn.

I agree. Just because you respect someone’s right to have silly beliefs doesn’t mean you have to respect the actual beliefs. But if those beliefs that someone is entitled to hold are a danger to society (e.g. Nazism) where do you draw the line?

I mean it all depends: Nazi’s, KKK, and other right-wing organizations do not pose any real-threat anymore, their movement is virtually dead. Most our native Europeans, not immigrants; and most European people will highly condemn such bigotry without a “but”. When they interrupt society which some do; then they should be thrown in jail. But we can’t force/change extremists/fundamentalists from hating or believing in what they want; that’s their right but we can condemn them and make it unacceptable, etc. Many Radical-Muslims in Europe are not EU citizens so ones that participate in extremism should be deported; since they are not entitled to interrupt/harm the country that opened its doors to them. Radical-Muslims who are EU citizens or born in the EU; that is not easy because they are entitled as citizens and you can’t deport them. It really is the European Union’s fault for not making distinctions in the past between radical and moderate Muslims; and just letting everybody in which is why there are problems now. There is really no easy answer because confronting Radical-Islam in Europe isn’t easy. You don’t want to make the whole group feel like they are the problem; that makes the problem worse and leads to further extremism. But the actual moderate-Muslim community needs to be more pro-active in condemning radical-Muslims/Islamists; they haven’t exactly helped. But politicians like Geert Wilders go really overboard to the point of hatred. I know many people in Ireland and the rest of Europe want to ban the Burka; I don’t think they have any right to do that on grounds of human rights.

Have you a source that shows Hezbollah receives western aid? Last time I checked it was a listed terrorist organisation in the US, EU nations, and other western countries. It gets it’s aid from Iran and Syria – hardly western countries.

Hezbollah has relied on funding from the Shi’ite Lebanese Diaspora in the United States, which I think you will agree is in the West.

That is not the context you had it framed in originally.

The IRA received aid in the 70′s and 80′s from the United States, similar situation to modern day Hezbollah. Both are terrorist organisations, both have relied on the west through it’s citizens supporting them. My point is that they can’t have it both ways.

Straw man argument. Not the same situation. In your original post you said ‘the west’ which in terms of stories like these implies western governments.

It makes me sad that on one side of our planet one of the most advanced robots made yet was sent to another planet due to science. On the other side of the planet some angry guys wave their shoes in the air and then try to kill people because of their denial of science.

When you put it that way Barry, you have to laugh. That is some culture gap that wont be closed for a few generations yet – if ever!

But then again – a photo of a shoe print on the Moon……….nahhhh!

The most ironic thing of all Paul is that while Europe was in the semi-stagnant Medieval period, the Islamic Golden Age period was in progress and they were the most advanced culture for science, education and philosophy!

Yes, I remember all the people killed by piss christ for instance ..oh wait…

We have to be on guard for all those Ned Flander types out there !!

M Ó Sé, may I suggest you check out Jesus Camp. There is such a thing as an extremist Christian, and they’re gearing their kids up for holy war as we speak.

Forget to wear your tin foil hat today mate?

Jason, stop now good lad.
Go back to your foxnews update.

Jason Culligan, I’m not sure why you think that the imminent attack on Iran is a ‘tin foil hat’ theory. It’s been well covered by news outlets from all corners of the planet. Even Haaretz which is one of the most widely circulated politically minded newspapers in Israel write almost daily about Bibi’s plans to attack Iran. They have interviewed former government officials, IDF officials, even Mossad heads, and they say that the attack is imminent. Haaretz is behind a paywall but if you open the links through twitter it bypasses the paywall and you can read the full articles.

There’s no big conspiracy here – it’s public knowledge. And in future if you disagree with someones comment maybe you should try to counter the point rather than launch a personal attack. You might think it’s funny but *yawn* the tin foil hat thing has been done to death.

Anyone who uses the phrase “sheeple” invariably does so after spouting hysterical nonsense. And so it has to come pass again…

Alright, if you insist that I address both of your points I will.

Military exercises as they are officially know have been in existence for centuries. The modern version being invented by the Prussian state in the 1700s. These exercises are a common part of all armed forces across the globe, and their sole purpose is to test the readiness of a force should combat arise, while also providing on-site training for forces which cannot be conducted in a military installation. These were especially common on both sides of the Iron Curtain during the Cold War. Jason’s assertion that there will be a nuclear strike in November thanks to these events in the Persian Gulf is so ridiculous as to warrant the tin foil hat response. There has been numerous exercised in the Persian Gulf yet none of these have resulted in nuclear strikes. So not only to guarantee that nuclear attacks, the key word there being attack which implies the US will just blatantly nuke a country with no provocation, but to also provide a specific date sounds to me like the preacher who provided 3 separate dates for Judgement Day which also seemed to be a lot of air and no substance.

Barry, where is your evidence that there will be a guaranteed attack on Iran? Last I checked, George W Bush was talked OUT of an attack on Iran due to the sophisticated network of modern Russian air defence equipment which would take an incredible toll on American air assets. Remember that the US military is centered around having air superiority, so throwing all of your experienced airmen away on attacking a small power is so strategically insane that to even suggest it is out of the question.

I would also say that the “wake up sheep” comment that was thrown out, which in itself is insulting and invites negative responses, has been done to death. So I find it fitting to respond in kind.

No need to lecture on war games. Yes they are quite commonplace. However there is currently three carrier groups in the Persian Gulf. Not exactly normal for peacetime but as you say not a definite sign of an imminent attack either. But think back to a little less than 10 years ago and the same was being said about Iraq. yadda yadda yadda. We all know what happened then.

I do agree that it’s unlikely that the US are going to start this war with Iran. It will be their proxy, Israel, that starts it. You only need to look at the crap spewing from Bibi on an almost daily basis to see that he is itching to hit Iran. He won’t do it without the blessing of the US hence why he is constantly pushing for a “red line”. If the US keep holding off there is the real threat that Israel will go at it alone. They do not have the power to tackle Iran with conventional warfare so a strategic nuclear option will be on the table. If (should say when) Israel do hit Iran and Iran strike back, the US and many more countries are going to get pulled into this conflict.

An apt quote in this situation is from Confucius: “Study the past if you would define the future”. Think about that – what has happened in similar situations before and then what came to pass.