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Pro-choice campaigners hold a demonstration calling for legislation to permit abortion under the Supreme Court's criteria in the X Case ruling. Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland

Opinion poll shows majority in favour for legislation on X

The Red C poll for the Sunday Business Post shows some incoherence, though, about other related measures…

A LARGE MAJORITY of the Irish public support the introduction of legislation to allow abortion under the circumstances permitted by the Supreme Court ruling in the ‘X Case’, an opinion poll has indicated.

The Red C poll published in this morning’s Sunday Business Post reveals that 85 per cent of respondents said they would support the introduction of laws to allow abortion in circumstances when the mother’s life is threatened, including through the risk of suicide.

82 per cent of voters also said they would support a change in the constitution to expand abortion so that it was also available to mothers who had been impregnated as the result of a rape.

However, somewhat incoherently, 63 per cent of people said they would also support a constitutional amendment to limit the X Case criteria – which is based on the text of the constitution as it currently stands – to remove the threat of suicide as grounds for an abortion.

36 per cent of respondents to the poll, conducted between Monday and Wednesday of last week, said they would support a constitutional amendment to allow abortion in any cases where a pregnant woman wanted to have one.

1,003 adults were polled by telephone by pollsters Red C.

Expert group: Dáil will spend up to 10 hours debating report next week

Peadar Toibin: X Case judgement is ‘flawed’ and ‘archaic’, says SF rebel

Clare Daly’s Bill: How each TD voted – and where the absentees were

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    Mute John K
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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:11 AM

    I wonder how much of this could be attributed to the unintended consequence of the green parties introduction of CO2 based motor tax in 2008. Hundreds of thousands of people encouraged to buy diesel cars when petrol would have suited them far better.

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    Mute Name
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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:19 AM

    @John K: you do understand that these policies were set based on the best available evidence at the time and before the dieselgate scandal? But of course everyone loves being Captain Hindsight to score some troll points.

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    Mute Jim
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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:29 AM

    @Name: and when the evidence changed the gov’t position didn’t. They ignored the empirical & statistical data which IS a major contributing factor to the current situation.

    It’s a bit like when the Climate Cult ignore over 1,000 peer reviewed studies that state there is no climate emergency, because it doesn’t advance their cause (a cause that a small group are making hundreds of billions out of). Climate extremeists are Zealots who cannot bear to consider that they have been conned & are useful idiots to make even more money for those few, because it would bring into question their whole existence & the place they take up in this world.

    Of course some love being a defender of the indefensible to score some troll points.

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    Mute Brendan O'Brien
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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:32 AM

    @Jim: There is greater than 99% consensus on human-caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355458046_Greater_than_99_consensus_on_human_caused_climate_change_in_the_peer-reviewed_scientific_literature

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:35 AM

    @Name: that’s why I specified “unintended consequence”. I find it interesting that a policy designed to help the environment could have actually damaged air quality and I’d like to know how much could be attributed to that. Would you not like to know that? We should judge policy on the results not on the good intentions used to bring it into effect. Nothing to do with trolling or points as you suggest.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:37 AM

    @Jim: wow, the only one showing zealotry is you with an unhinged rant like that.
    You “forget” that the greens were no longer in power once the data came out that diesel was more polluting. Once back in power they entirely removed the gap. They also openly expressed regret that they relied on the data from the car industry to introduce the rule in the first place. IMO, that is chapter closed. But clearly not for some who love digging up 16-year old bodies to score troll points.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:43 AM

    @John K: fair is fair, but it’s a dead horse that is still being brought to life, mostly for other reasons than you state. A perhaps more useful and interesting question is how Dublin’s air fairs compared to other cities that introduced policies to reduce polluting vehicles and increase modal alternatives. Policies that Dublin still is waiting on.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:52 AM

    @John K: The CO2 based motor tax is COMPLETELY unrelated to the switch to diesel cars. That was based on data at the time concerning suspended particulate matter in the air.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 12:17 PM

    @John K: I believe, if I recall correctly, that the promotion of diesel was based on data falsified by the car industry.

    This was discovered when testing, of Volkswagen diesel cars, uncovered the car computer would enter a secret low emissions mode when detected it was user test, the so called “defeat device”.

    Outside of testing, in the real world, the engine tuned itself for higher performance, resulting in higher emissions. Volkswagen were fined billions over this.

    “It’s been dubbed the “diesel dupe”. In September, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found, external that many VW cars being sold in America had a “defeat device” – or software – in diesel engines that could detect when they were being tested, changing the performance accordingly to improve results. The German car giant has since admitted cheating emissions tests in the US.”

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    Dec 11th 2024, 12:20 PM

    @David Jordan: that is correct but the CO2 motor tax made it cheaper for people to own diesel when petrol would have been more suitable for them

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    Dec 11th 2024, 12:59 PM

    @Me Me: it was done to raise money no other reason.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:05 PM

    @John K: There wouldn’t be that much pollution if Dublin had a metro network like other European cities, they can afford to impose a congestion or vehicle restriction charge because you can take the train metro and tram everywhere, and periodically. Dublin can’t have the luxury of imposing a congestion or vehicle ban because how will people get there if we stop driving?

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    Mute John Reynolds
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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:29 PM

    @Name: so when they asked farmers to expand in 2009 teagasc and the government thought water quality would improve your so nieve god bless u

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    Mute John K
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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:41 PM

    @J Ven: agreed on the metro, would love to see additional viable public transport options for the city.

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    Mute Brian D'Arcy
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    Dec 11th 2024, 2:09 PM

    @John K: Like maybe the LUAS on the northside.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 4:58 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: seriously, how can there be ’99%’ “consensus” when there are (at least) 1,000+ studies that disagree. That is the position a bigot or zealot would adopt.

    Yiu.may also want to research your reference material (properly research it & see who is paying for the studies).

    Have to laugh, throw out a stats like you did with a bullshit website to ‘back up” your outlamdish claim.

    As said, people like you will never admit you are being manipulated because it would mean you are insignificant & your whole world view is a lie which affects the position you take up in this world. Same as you will never admit social distancing, €9 meals, 5km restrictions were all bullshyt – why because it would mean you were duped & your ego won’t allow an admission which would make you look foolish.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 8:38 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: seriously, how can there be 99% “consensus” when there are (at least) 1,000+ studies that disagree.

    Yiu.may also want to research your reference material (properly research it & see who is paying for the studies).

    Have to laugh, throw out a stats like you did with a bullshit website to ‘back up” your outlamdish claim.

    As said, people like you will never admit you are being manipulated because it would mean you are insignificant & your whole world view is a lie which affects the position you take up in this world. Same as you will never admit social distancing, €9 meals, 5km restrictions were all bullshyt – why because it would mean you were duped & your ego won’t allow an admission which would make you look foolish.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:49 AM

    I know some of those black (red) spots. Traffic has gotten worse since the council introduced their signal changes at the junctions, doubling and sometimes tripling the length of ques of idling cars.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:56 AM

    @Royce Coolidge: evidence please? I’ve seen this “signal change” argument before. In fact, the council has only made these changes for very few junctions. Where they have, it is often to accommodate flow and accommodate pedestrians (I remember stressed grannies trying to cross before the yellow man ended).
    People have short memories and the increase in traffic is more likely linked to an increase in motor vehicles on our roads, esp after COVID.

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    Mute Royce Coolidge
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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:03 PM

    @Name: @Name: yeah hang on, Cambridge University and I are still getting our results peer tested.

    It’s plain for anybody to see with their own two eyes. It’s a great many more junctions than “just a few” as you say. It used to be the case that ebery morning at 08:00 I reach road A that has a que of ten to fifteen cars, queing at junction x. The light turns green and ten cars get through.

    Now I reach the same spot at the same time, and the que is twenty five to thirty cars long. The light turns green, for the bus lane only. Then after this the light turns green for cars. The light turns red for cars very quickly again, only three or four cars get through, (not helped by how slow Irish people are to put their phone Dow /get into first and get off the line) and two or three more break the lights, and the light for buses remains green, even though there may be none. The que of idling cars continues to grow.

    Ahort memories indeed

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:20 AM

    Bring on the ultra-low emission zones and congestion charges. I live near one of those hot spots.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:24 AM

    @Name: No. Put up with it or move into the wilderness.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:28 AM

    @Marvin Dollery: no thanks. I’ve a disability that prevents me from driving. Living in the city means I can actually have a life instead of staring out of the window all day in loneliness. But thank you for your concerns about where I live.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:29 AM

    @Marvin Dollery: You’re in favour of dangerous pollutants, no doubt.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:35 AM
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    Dec 11th 2024, 12:52 PM

    @Name: I suggest you move then rather than taxing everyone

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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:11 PM

    @Name: I think you just made up your disability to bolster your argument. Disgusting.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:40 PM

    @Name: Ban the burning of fossil fuels for heat also.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 8:39 PM

    @Name: you’re full of shyte

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    Mute Ciarán Harris
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    Dec 11th 2024, 12:33 PM

    Diesel engines are generally the largest contributors to NO2 pollution, particularly heavy-duty diesel vehicles like buses & trucks.

    As a motorcyclist, I’ve often received a face-full of dirty black fumes belched from a Dublin Bus exhaust.

    Electrification of our bus fleet would do wonders for the city’s pollution.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 3:12 PM

    @Ciarán Harris: and move the problem elsewhere. But Hey Smoke and Mirrors all in the name of sustainable vehicles..

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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:02 PM

    If only google would build more data centres to fix this problem.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:11 AM

    Electric vehicles will fix this.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:22 AM

    @Ronan Mc: yes and no. They will fix the NO2 pollution. However, their brakes and tires emit quite a bit of particulate matter into the air. Then there is also noise pollution, which EVs will only partially fix. The true fixes are modal alternatives (PT, walking, cycling) and reducing speeds, but these reasonable suggestions have some commenters on this forum frothing at the mouth with rage.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:25 AM

    @Name: Dublin Bus have circa 100 double deck EVs on the road at the moment, with more to be rolled out next year. This will make a huge difference!

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:29 AM

    @Michael O’Callaghan: not saying it won’t. Just saying that EVs of the private motor vehicle kind are not the panacea for a healthy city.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 12:39 PM

    @Name: EV cars hardly ever use their brakes, it’s called regenerative breaking, which also means that there is less ware on the tires when slowing down.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 3:11 PM

    @Ronan Mc: More tax will

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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:28 PM

    Probably by the Dail is the worst ministers and tds arriving in their limos

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    Mute P. V. Aglue
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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:06 AM

    The who?

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:06 AM

    @P. V. Aglue: the what?

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:07 AM

    @P. V. Aglue: the where?

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    Dec 11th 2024, 11:35 AM

    @P. V. Aglue: the why .. !

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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:36 PM

    Why bother suggesting anything. We’re incapable of logical solutions. Ban it sher… offset the problem, cook the numbers like you always do! ya useless shower,

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    Dec 11th 2024, 7:47 PM

    Wow, so the main routes into and through the city have the heaviest levels of pollution from traffic…….and it took a “study” 18 months to “discover” this. Money well spent.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 3:10 PM

    Kildare Street number 1

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    Dec 11th 2024, 1:52 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: It was 5%, not 50%. Bit of a difference!

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    Dec 11th 2024, 4:43 PM

    @FlipBip: Chat GBT says (from the study) that it’s “50% of kids have 5% reduced lung capacity” so my numbers are off. Apologies.

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    Dec 11th 2024, 10:10 PM

    So, proposed equivalents to the ULEZ silliness from London were floated for over here only last week, and now GOOGLE are running about in their weird cars not only photographing every damned thing, but they’re taking air samples for the government . . . and I’m the weirdo for seeing this as nuts???

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